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My film is not a movie.

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My film is not about Vietnam.

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It is Vietnam.

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It's what it was really like. It was crazy.

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And the way we made it was very much

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like the way
the Americans were in Vietnam.

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We were in the jungle.

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There were too many of us.

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We had access to too much money,

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too much equipment,

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and little by little, we went insane.

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This movie I'm making
is not in the tradition

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of the great Max Ophoels
or David Lean even,

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This movie was made in the tradition of
Irwin Allen.

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I made the most vulgar, entertaining,

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exciting, action-full, sensoramic,

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give-them-a-new-thrill-
every-five-minutes,

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have it everything, sex, violence, humor,

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because I want people
to come and see it.

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But the questions that I kept facing
or running into,

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into the stupid script about
four guys going up to kill a guy...

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But that was the story.

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But the questions that that story
kept putting me, I couldn't answer.

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Yet I knew that I had constructed
the film in such a way

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that to not answer would be to fail.

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The film Francis is making is
a metaphor for a journey into self.

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He has made that journey
and is still making it.

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It's scary to watch someone you love
go into the center of himself

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and confront his fears,

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fear of failure, fear of death,
fear of going insane.

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You have to fail a little,
die a little, go insane a little,

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to come out the other side.

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The process is not over for Francis.

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My greatest fear
is to make a really shitty,

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embarrassing, pompous film
on an important subject,

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and I am doing it.

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I confront it. I acknowledge.

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I will tell you right straight from
the most sincere depths of my heart,

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the film will not be good.

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It's like going to school.
You finish your term paper

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and maybe you get a B instead
of an A* that you wanted,

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so you got a B.

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But I'm gonna get an F.

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This film is a $20-million disaster.
Why won't anyone believe me?

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I am thinking of shooting myself!

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Good evening.

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This is Orson Welles
inviting you to listen now

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to The Heart of Darkness
by Joseph Conrad.

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Imagine the feelings of a skipper
of a fine frigate or a bark.

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A civilized man
at the very end of the world.

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He'd land in a swamp,
march through the woods,

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and in some inland post
feel the savagery,

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the utter savagery that stirs
in the forests and the jungles

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in the hearts of wild men.

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In 1939, Orson Welles planned
to make Heart of Darkness

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as his first motion picture.

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Heart of Darkness is the story
of a ship captain's journey

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up the Congo River
to find Mr. Kurtz, an ivory trader

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stationed deep in the jungle.

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A brilliant man of high ideals,
Kurtz intends to enlighten the natives.

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Instead, he succumbs
to the primal temptations

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of the jungle and goes insane.

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Screen tests were done
with Welles as Kurtz

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and sets were designed,

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but the studio backed away
from the project,

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fearing the elaborate production
would go over budget.

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Welles made Citizen Kane instead.

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Heart of Darkness was abandoned
in pre-production.

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In 1969, Francis founded
American Zoetrope,

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a company dedicated to filmmaking
outside of the Hollywood system.

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One of their first projects
was Apocalypse Now,

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a Vietnam War story based loosely
on Heart of Darkness.

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Apocalypse Now concerns
a Captain Willard on his mission

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to assassinate
a Green Beret colonel named Kurtz.

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Kurtz has gone insane

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and is conducting the war
on his own terms deep in Cambodia.

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George Lucas was to direct
John Milius' screenplay.

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Francis said that Heart of Darkness,

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which was one of my favorite things
I'd ever read,

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he said it had been tried
and no one could lick it.

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He said that Orson Welles tried it
and he couldn't lick it.

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Richard Brooks, I think,
or somebody else...

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That's the best thing
to tell a young writing student,

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you know, say,
"No one could possibly write this."

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That was the first thing I tried.

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The war was raging then,

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and everybody was either
getting set to go or to get out of it

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or whatever they were going to do.

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And we prepared a method of
doing this whole thing in Vietnam.

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We were going to do it
in 16 millimeter in Vietnam.

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That was John's idea.
That was John's idea.

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I was the one that was gonna
have to go over and do it.

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John is very good at being grand.

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We would have been there right in time
for Tet, probably and whatever.

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And all these people
that were in school with me

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who'd done terrible things
or were planning to go to Canada,

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do something as drastic
as getting married to avoid the war,

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they were willing to go to Vietnam.
They didn't care.

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They wanted to carry lights
and sound equipment over minefields.

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And I think that Warner Brothers
finally backed off on it

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because they figured
most of us would probably be killed

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because we were so stupid.

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We then tried to take Apocalypse
around to all the other studios.

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Nobody wanted to have anything to do
with it and they just..."No way."

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Why?

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Because it was during the war
and there was a lot of...

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I don't know whether it was pressure
or just fear or whatever,

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but the studios would not finance a film
about the Vietnam War.

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People were so bitter
about the war, you know,

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that there were riots.
Remember, we were living at a time

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when there really were riots
on the streets.

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People were spitting on soldiers.

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And studio executives,
they're the last people

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who are gonna get
in the middle of that thing.

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Studio executives are not noted
for their social courage.

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Without a studio,
Apocalypse Now was shelved,

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and Francis put his dreams
for Zoetrope on hold.

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He went on to direct
The Godfather Parts I and II.

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The films won eight Academy Awards
and made Francis a multimillionaire.

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In 1975, he revived his plans
for Zoetrope

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and chose Apocalypse Now
as its first project.

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I was in the position whereas I wanted
to always write original work.

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Original work really takes
six, eight months minimum to do,

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and here was the script of Apocalypse

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that we could clean up
and send out immediately.

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So I basically said,

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"Well, what if I just
did Apocalypse Now?"

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And in doing so,

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we were able to make our company
independent and further our goal.

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But nothing really prepared me
for the date I had

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with trying to do a modern telling
of Heart of Darkness

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in a Vietnam setting.

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Mike, would you read Kilgore?

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Glenn, I'd like you to read... No.
I'll wait for a minute.

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I'd like Tommy, you read Willard.

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Freddy's gonna read Chef.

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And, Sam, you read Lance.

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And, Albert, you read Chief, okay?

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Let's just... What we'll do now,
we'll just read it, just to read it,

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to know what we're doing.

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Apocalypse Now has been budgeted
at $13 million.

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In order to maintain creative control,
Francis had to raise the money himself.

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If the film goes over budget,
Francis is responsible.

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He has put up our personal assets
as collateral.

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A couple of million dollars
of Francis' money was in it.

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But that was Francis' style.

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His philosophy was always,
and remains to this date is,

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"I'm gonna go and make the movie.

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"And if everybody knows
I'm going to make it,

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"it will fall into place.

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"And if I don't go forward
as if I'm making it and start making it,

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"nothing will happen."

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My attitude towards money has always
been, "I don't have very much of it,

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"but if I use it in a very audacious way,
it multiplies it."

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If you have $1,000, but you're willing
to use it, really not caring of risking,

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you can make it feel like $10,000.

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Marlon Brando has sent word
that he will do the part of Kurtz.

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Brando has agreed to three weeks
of shooting at a million dollars a week.

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Francis sent him a $1 million advance.

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After auditioning dozens of actors,

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Harvey Keitel has been cast
as Captain Willard.

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For the four-man boat crew
who will take Willard upriver,

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Sam Bottoms will play Lance.

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Albert Hall, Chief.

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Frederic Forrest, Chef,

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and Larry Fishburne, age 1 4,
will play Mr. Clean.

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The whole thing's really fun.
I mean, a war is fun. Shit.

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You can do anything you want to.

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That's why Vietnam must
have been so much fun

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for the guys that were out there.

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I mean, like, I know this one dude
who came back. Shit.

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And he's nothing but a dope smoker,
and all he does is smoke dope.

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He said, "Vietnam was the best thing
they could have done for my ass."

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The Philippines has been chosen
as the location

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because of its similarity
to the terrain in Vietnam.

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Since the US Army
has refused to cooperate

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with a movie about the Vietnam War,

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Francis has made a deal with
Philippine President, Ferdinand Marcos.

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The production will pay the military
thousands of dollars per day

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as well as overtime
for the Philippine pilots.

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In return, Francis can use
Marcos' entire fleet of helicopters

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as long as they're not needed to fight
the communist insurgency in the south.

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A band of rebels
has been waging a fierce war

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for control of
the southern Philippine islands.

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But the real phenomenon
of being in that situation,

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being in the middle of that jungle

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and dealing with all the unfriendly
elements that we were dealing with

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was part of what the movie was about.

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That was the first directorial decision
that put us all in a circumstance

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that reflected, you know,
what the movie was about.

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I gave him all the information
that we had developed

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on shooting in the Philippines.

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I said, "Francis,
it's one thing to go over there

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"for three weeks with, like, five people

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"and sort of scrounge a lot footage
using the Philippine army.

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"But if you go over there
as a big Hollywood production,

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"they're gonna kill you, you know.

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"The longer you stay,
the more in danger you are

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"of getting sucked into the swamp."

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On March 1st, I came to the Philippines
with Francis and our three children,

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Gio, 12, Roman, 10,

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and Sofia, four.

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Francis has asked me
to make a documentary film

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for the United Artists
publicity department.

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I don't know if he wants to avoid
the addition of a professional team

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on an already-overloaded production
or if he's just trying to keep me busy.

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The heat and humidity
are overwhelming.

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It's the first time any of us
have seen water buffalo,

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rice paddies and nipa huts.

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Sofia said, "It looks like
the Disneyland jungle cruise."

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Today, I shot some footage
of the construction

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at the main set, Kurtz's compound.

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It is supposed to be
a decaying Cambodian temple

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at the end of the river

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where the character of Willard
will confront Kurtz.

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Dean Tavoularis,
the production designer,

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is orchestrating
the construction of the temple

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out of dried adobe blocks,
each weighing 300 pounds.

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There were 600 people
working on this thing.

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In Hollywood or New York,

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if you want another person,
it's quite a big deal.

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With the fringes and their salary,
it's thousands of dollars.

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So, for a dollar a day
or three dollars a day,

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I hope we weren't taking advantage of
people, but that's what they were paid.

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So, you could get not one person.
You could get 10 or 20 or 100.

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Ever since I was a student in college,

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we used to do a thing
before every production,

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and since I've been making films,
we did it,

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and it made those films have good luck.

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And what it is...

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Everyone kind of just grab someone
or touch someone

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that's connected with everyone.

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Gather round
so that everybody can see.

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- Good luck.
- Good luck.

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And then we say this word three times.
"Puwaba."

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- What's the word?
- Puwaba.

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Puwaba.

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One, two, three.

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Puwaba, puwaba, puwaba!

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Hey!

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It's the first day of shooting.
There's a current of excitement.

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The location is a salt farm
next to a river.

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In the scene, a helicopter brings Willard
to meet the patrol boat

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that will take him on his mission.

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Okay. Stand by!

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Action!

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On one level, the film
is an action-adventure story.

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It's a story of a journey
into a strange and unknown area,

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but it also will hopefully exist
on a philosophical and allegorical level,

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so that, ultimately,
my desire is that it sheds some light

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on the events that took place
and why they took place

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and what it did
to the people involved in them.

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Almost we are persuaded
that there is something after all,

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something essential waiting for all of us
in the dark areas of the world,

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aboriginally loathsome, immeasurable,

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and certainly, nameless.

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Last night, Francis watched the footage
from the first week's shooting.

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They were the scenes
with Harvey Keitel, who plays Willard.

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Afterward, he sat down on the couch
with the editors and said,

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"Well, what do you think?"

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I went upstairs to say
good night to the children,

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and when I came down
1 5 minutes later,

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Francis had made the decision
to replace his leading man.

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We bit the bullet
and did a very, very unpleasant thing,

265
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which is replace an actor
in mid-shooting.

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Not only unpleasant, but expensive,

267
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:16,417
since we had to throw out
several weeks of work and start over.

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Take one.

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Action.

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What do you think, Willard?

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Terminate the Colonel.

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Terminate with extreme prejudice.

273
00:18:37,182 --> 00:18:40,879
Two days ago, Francis shaved off
his beard and flew to Los Angeles.

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He met with Martin Sheen at the airport.

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Marty agreed to take the role of Willard.

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I had some personal concerns
about my own physical condition.

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I was 36 at the time,
and I felt old and out of shape,

278
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and I was smoking three packs a day,
not a healthy guy.

279
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I wondered if I'd be able
to keep up a strenuous schedule.

280
00:19:05,977 --> 00:19:10,744
At the time I hired on, I remember
it was only a 16-week shoot,

281
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which didn't prove to be the case,

282
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but who knew that at the time?

283
00:19:25,397 --> 00:19:27,524
It is the fifth week of shooting.

284
00:19:27,632 --> 00:19:30,533
It's getting hotter
as we move into summer.

285
00:19:30,635 --> 00:19:33,536
Every day,
the project seems to get bigger.

286
00:19:37,575 --> 00:19:41,170
Now, what I want is,
let's say, five helicopters, right?

287
00:19:42,881 --> 00:19:45,782
Then you have a camera here,
a camera there.

288
00:19:45,884 --> 00:19:47,909
I want two cameras at once.

289
00:19:48,019 --> 00:19:51,182
We'll have a camera
with Enrico inside the Loach.

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00:19:51,289 --> 00:19:52,278
In the script,

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a helicopter unit led by a brash
air cavalry colonel named Kilgore

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00:19:56,461 --> 00:19:57,985
leads an attack on a coastal village

293
00:19:58,096 --> 00:20:02,726
in order to escort Willard's boat
into the river that will lead him to Kurtz.

294
00:20:02,834 --> 00:20:05,394
This scene with all the extras
and special effects

295
00:20:05,503 --> 00:20:09,166
is the most logistically complicated
of Francis' career.

296
00:20:19,217 --> 00:20:21,651
Francis was always reminding me.

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00:20:21,786 --> 00:20:25,222
He says, "Vittorio, remember,
this is not just a documentary

298
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"about the war in Vietnam.

299
00:20:27,258 --> 00:20:30,921
"This is a main show in the sense
that wherever America goes,

300
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:33,793
"they make a big show on everything.

301
00:20:34,566 --> 00:20:35,590
"They make a big event.

302
00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:39,295
"They make a big show
about lights, music.

303
00:20:40,104 --> 00:20:43,972
"Even the idea to put Wagner on
during the battle sequence,

304
00:20:44,075 --> 00:20:45,872
"it's part of the show.
It's part of the opera.

305
00:20:45,977 --> 00:20:51,005
"It's part of the major fantasy
that American people has."

306
00:21:36,427 --> 00:21:38,327
- Tell them to cut.
- Cutting.

307
00:21:38,429 --> 00:21:40,795
- Very good.
- All cameras are cutting!

308
00:21:40,899 --> 00:21:43,697
You know, just at the last scene,
the third trip,

309
00:21:43,801 --> 00:21:47,032
when the Huey come,

310
00:21:47,138 --> 00:21:48,969
they pass too high.

311
00:21:50,708 --> 00:21:52,073
Okay. This is Coppola.

312
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All aircraft, all Hornets,
all picture aircraft,

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00:21:55,914 --> 00:21:59,475
everyone land in the rice paddies.
We'll have a meeting.

314
00:22:00,151 --> 00:22:02,119
Because of the civil war in the south,

315
00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:04,245
everyday, the government
sends different pilots

316
00:22:04,355 --> 00:22:06,721
who haven't participated
in the rehearsals,

317
00:22:06,824 --> 00:22:10,191
wrecking tens of thousands
of dollars worth of shots.

318
00:22:11,529 --> 00:22:15,056
All day today, a Philippine
air force general was on the set.

319
00:22:15,166 --> 00:22:19,000
There were rumors that the rebels
were in the hills about 10 miles away.

320
00:22:19,103 --> 00:22:20,695
The Filipino commanders were afraid

321
00:22:20,805 --> 00:22:23,933
there could be an attack
on the helicopters we were using.

322
00:22:24,042 --> 00:22:25,873
In the middle of a complicated shot,

323
00:22:25,977 --> 00:22:29,413
the helicopters were called away
to fight the rebels.

324
00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:30,481
So, what?

325
00:22:30,582 --> 00:22:34,279
- They're taking away five.
- Five? They said two.

326
00:22:34,385 --> 00:22:36,114
Wait a second. Stand by.

327
00:22:36,220 --> 00:22:38,984
We just heard they're taking away
five of our helicopters.

328
00:22:39,090 --> 00:22:40,580
Should we do it?

329
00:22:41,793 --> 00:22:44,057
The Huey go away.

330
00:22:45,964 --> 00:22:47,955
We'll do it next week.

331
00:23:01,546 --> 00:23:04,606
There have been stories in the press
about production problems with the film.

332
00:23:04,716 --> 00:23:07,184
Has the filming been delayed?

333
00:23:07,285 --> 00:23:11,779
Well, we're behind,
but we have not stopped shooting at all.

334
00:23:11,889 --> 00:23:14,517
I mean, it's just that
the film is enormous.

335
00:23:14,626 --> 00:23:17,686
I would say it's twice the scope

336
00:23:17,795 --> 00:23:20,320
in terms of the production
of any film I've done,

337
00:23:20,431 --> 00:23:22,296
including the two Godfathers together.

338
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,426
And it's such an enormous film
with so many different aspects.

339
00:23:25,536 --> 00:23:29,302
We're out here hacking inch by inch.

340
00:23:29,407 --> 00:23:32,672
We are up against, everyday,
100 problems.

341
00:23:32,777 --> 00:23:34,972
It's like a great war itself.

342
00:23:39,684 --> 00:23:40,742
Change!

343
00:23:40,852 --> 00:23:42,183
You mean right now, sir?

344
00:23:42,286 --> 00:23:45,221
I want to see how ride-able that stuff is.
Go change!

345
00:23:45,323 --> 00:23:46,847
It's still pretty hairy out there, sir.

346
00:23:46,958 --> 00:23:49,119
- You want to surf, soldier?
- Yes, sir.

347
00:23:49,227 --> 00:23:52,788
That's good, son, 'cause you either surf
or fight. That clear?

348
00:23:52,897 --> 00:23:54,228
Now, get going!

349
00:23:54,332 --> 00:23:57,927
I guess these air cavalry guys
did some pretty crazy stuff.

350
00:23:58,036 --> 00:24:00,903
I heard from some
of the technical advisors

351
00:24:01,005 --> 00:24:04,304
stories about the air cavalry
that were real,

352
00:24:05,209 --> 00:24:08,610
that would serve my fulfilling fiction,

353
00:24:08,713 --> 00:24:11,944
that they really did,
you know, like, for instance,

354
00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:15,315
a guy would go into his helicopter
in North Vietnam

355
00:24:15,420 --> 00:24:19,550
and try to hook a bicycle and steal it
with the runner.

356
00:24:20,058 --> 00:24:21,025
And they would shoot at him.

357
00:24:21,125 --> 00:24:22,524
He'd hover a while
until they stopped shooting.

358
00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:24,618
Then they'd finally hook the bicycle
and stole...

359
00:24:24,729 --> 00:24:28,460
It's like games to break up
the boredom of being in that war.

360
00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:31,200
Men play strange games.

361
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,947
I love the smell of napalm
in the morning.

362
00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:47,609
You know, one time,
we had a hill bombed for 12 hours.

363
00:24:47,719 --> 00:24:50,449
And when it was all over, I walked up.

364
00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:54,588
We didn't find one of them,
not one stinking dink body.

365
00:24:56,861 --> 00:24:59,625
The smell, you know,
that gasoline smell...

366
00:24:59,731 --> 00:25:03,565
The whole hill smelled like

367
00:25:06,904 --> 00:25:08,098
victory.

368
00:25:13,344 --> 00:25:15,710
Someday, this war's going to end.

369
00:25:18,382 --> 00:25:20,612
It was a combination of
not just Heart of Darkness,

370
00:25:20,718 --> 00:25:22,151
but, like, the Odyssey.

371
00:25:22,253 --> 00:25:24,016
Kilgore was like the Cyclops.

372
00:25:24,122 --> 00:25:27,888
He was something that had to
be overcome, had to be tricked.

373
00:25:27,992 --> 00:25:31,359
And then the Playboy Bunnies
were like the Sirens.

374
00:25:35,466 --> 00:25:38,902
This sure enough is a bizarre sight
in the middle of this shit.

375
00:25:42,874 --> 00:25:45,775
The war was taking on
an interesting character,

376
00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:49,005
and it was becoming a psychedelic war,
you know.

377
00:25:49,113 --> 00:25:54,016
The culture was influencing,
sort of seeping into Southeast Asia.

378
00:25:54,118 --> 00:25:58,350
The strange US culture
that was going on

379
00:26:00,057 --> 00:26:03,515
where you really get a tone
that it is a rock-and-roll war,

380
00:26:03,628 --> 00:26:08,588
that things have gone a little further
than anyone realized.

381
00:26:11,102 --> 00:26:12,399
At the point
when we were developing this,

382
00:26:12,503 --> 00:26:14,596
nobody knew that
there were drugs over there.

383
00:26:14,705 --> 00:26:17,674
Nobody knew all the craziness
that was going on.

384
00:26:17,775 --> 00:26:19,572
A lot was being kept back.

385
00:26:19,677 --> 00:26:21,076
So it was a chance
to really make a movie

386
00:26:21,179 --> 00:26:23,739
that would reveal a lot of things.

387
00:26:25,149 --> 00:26:28,312
What we'd done is strung together
all of John's anecdotes

388
00:26:28,419 --> 00:26:30,216
and some of the things
that he had from his friends

389
00:26:30,321 --> 00:26:32,346
who had been fighting over there.

390
00:26:32,456 --> 00:26:35,721
And it was really a quest
or a trek or something

391
00:26:35,827 --> 00:26:40,127
that would take us through
the various aspects of the Vietnam War,

392
00:26:40,231 --> 00:26:43,428
and we would see it
for the insanity that it was.

393
00:26:44,101 --> 00:26:48,561
At that point, we had it ending
in a very large battle with the Viet Cong

394
00:26:50,374 --> 00:26:53,866
and having Willard
and the Kurtz character

395
00:26:53,978 --> 00:26:55,912
fighting off all the Viet Cong.

396
00:26:56,013 --> 00:26:58,675
And then when they bring in the
helicopters to bring his men out,

397
00:26:58,783 --> 00:27:00,250
he says,
"No, I fought too hard for this land,"

398
00:27:00,351 --> 00:27:02,182
and he shoots down the helicopter.

399
00:27:08,693 --> 00:27:10,888
"I summon fire from the sky.

400
00:27:11,295 --> 00:27:13,126
"Do you know what it is
to be a white man

401
00:27:13,231 --> 00:27:16,758
"who can summon fire from the sky?
What it means?

402
00:27:16,868 --> 00:27:19,200
"You can live and die for these things.

403
00:27:19,303 --> 00:27:21,965
"Not silly ideals
that are always betrayed...

404
00:27:22,073 --> 00:27:24,439
"What do you fight for, Captain?"

405
00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:28,906
Then he answers,
"Because it feels good."

406
00:27:31,782 --> 00:27:36,014
I never cared for the ending so much.
I always thought the ending was weak.

407
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,987
The ending didn't top
what had happened with the helicopters,

408
00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:43,151
and it didn't answer
any of the kind of moral issues

409
00:27:43,261 --> 00:27:47,925
that got into a real gung-ho,
macho kind of a comic book ending.

410
00:27:49,166 --> 00:27:53,603
And my choice was to make it
much more back to Heart of Darkness

411
00:27:53,704 --> 00:27:56,537
than really John and George
were intending.

412
00:27:56,641 --> 00:28:00,600
I'd like to save the in-depth stuff
for the second reading.

413
00:28:01,612 --> 00:28:05,412
And I think very early on,
I knew that even when I arrived there,

414
00:28:05,516 --> 00:28:09,145
I was gonna take John's script
and mate it with Heart of Darkness

415
00:28:09,253 --> 00:28:11,244
and whatever happened
to me in the jungle.

416
00:28:11,355 --> 00:28:14,188
I mean, I knew that was, like,
my concept.

417
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,923
This afternoon Francis got a call
from his attorney.

418
00:28:19,030 --> 00:28:22,761
Apparently, Brando is refusing to
give Francis the extra time he needs

419
00:28:22,867 --> 00:28:25,301
to rewrite the ending of the movie.

420
00:28:25,403 --> 00:28:27,371
Brando is threatening
to drop out of the project

421
00:28:27,471 --> 00:28:30,065
and keep his million-dollar advance.

422
00:28:30,174 --> 00:28:34,338
Yeah, but are they seriously saying
that Marlon would take a million dollars

423
00:28:34,445 --> 00:28:36,310
and then not show up?

424
00:28:39,016 --> 00:28:40,813
And imagine, here I am

425
00:28:40,918 --> 00:28:44,115
with about 50 things that
are just quasi in my control,

426
00:28:44,221 --> 00:28:46,655
like the Philippine government
and fucking helicopters

427
00:28:46,757 --> 00:28:48,486
which they take away
whenever they feel like,

428
00:28:48,592 --> 00:28:50,389
and they've done it three times already.

429
00:28:50,494 --> 00:28:54,555
I mean, all I'm asking is for Marlon
to allow me to start him a little later.

430
00:28:54,665 --> 00:28:57,133
And I know it's all my fault.
But I'm saying is that

431
00:28:57,234 --> 00:28:59,896
do I also have to shoot
the last 30 minutes of the movie

432
00:29:00,004 --> 00:29:00,993
in the beginning?

433
00:29:01,105 --> 00:29:03,266
Tell them to keep acting, Randy.

434
00:29:03,374 --> 00:29:07,640
I assumed that there would be
some malleability about Marlon,

435
00:29:07,745 --> 00:29:13,945
and I also didn't realize the immensity
of the constructions and stuff.

436
00:29:14,285 --> 00:29:17,413
I mean, the picture's
bigger than I thought. It's just gigantic.

437
00:29:17,521 --> 00:29:21,116
I personally, as an artist,
would love the opportunity

438
00:29:21,225 --> 00:29:23,489
to just finish the picture up until the end,

439
00:29:23,594 --> 00:29:26,461
take four weeks off,
work with Marlon, rewrite it,

440
00:29:26,564 --> 00:29:28,191
and then in just three weeks,
do the ending.

441
00:29:28,299 --> 00:29:30,597
I think I could make
the best film that way.

442
00:29:30,701 --> 00:29:33,397
It seems like such a,
kind of, bright thing to do.

443
00:29:33,504 --> 00:29:36,496
And I feel that the people back there

444
00:29:36,607 --> 00:29:39,974
feel that postponement is like,
"The picture's in trouble or something."

445
00:29:40,077 --> 00:29:42,045
It's just that very intelligent,
major studios

446
00:29:42,146 --> 00:29:45,741
used to do things like this all the time.
No, I know that.

447
00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:49,308
And that's what sort of bugs me
is the ludicrousness of thinking

448
00:29:49,420 --> 00:29:51,615
that I'm gonna go through
all that I'm doing,

449
00:29:51,722 --> 00:29:55,317
after all I've been through in the past,
after all the pictures I've made

450
00:29:55,426 --> 00:29:58,827
and after shooting 16 weeks,
that I'm not gonna finish a movie

451
00:29:58,929 --> 00:30:01,955
in which I've invested
three years of my life just because...

452
00:30:02,066 --> 00:30:04,057
I mean, it's stupid, man.

453
00:30:04,902 --> 00:30:07,803
Yeah, but even if Brando drops dead,
I can still finish the movie.

454
00:30:07,905 --> 00:30:08,929
I'll just get another actor.

455
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,235
If I can't get Redford,
I'll go back to Nicholson.

456
00:30:11,342 --> 00:30:13,003
If I can't get Nicholson,
I'll go back to Pacino.

457
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:15,578
If I can't go to Pacino,
I'll go back to someone else.

458
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:19,581
I mean, sooner or later,
I can get someone for three weeks.

459
00:30:19,683 --> 00:30:24,017
I mean, it's not in the cards
that we're not going to finish the movie.

460
00:30:42,606 --> 00:30:46,736
This is the first day of heavy rain.
A typhoon is off the coast.

461
00:30:46,844 --> 00:30:49,108
I've never seen it rain so hard.

462
00:30:49,213 --> 00:30:51,443
Water has started coming
in the rooms downstairs,

463
00:30:51,549 --> 00:30:54,245
and Sofia is splashing around in it.

464
00:30:54,351 --> 00:30:56,251
Francis has decided to make pasta,

465
00:30:56,353 --> 00:30:59,049
and he's turned on
La Boheme full volume.

466
00:31:00,257 --> 00:31:04,717
I knew that if weather came,
that I was gonna try to incorporate it.

467
00:31:05,162 --> 00:31:07,824
I didn't realize that
it was on such a big scale.

468
00:31:07,932 --> 00:31:11,231
So I was only thinking
that I got to shoot tomorrow.

469
00:31:48,239 --> 00:31:52,073
Even after that typhoon hit,
he began to film.

470
00:31:52,176 --> 00:31:56,203
He said, "This has happened,
and monsoons hit Vietnam.

471
00:31:56,914 --> 00:32:00,611
"There's a lot of mud,
a lot of rain around. Let's film."

472
00:32:02,219 --> 00:32:04,084
Don't leave without me.

473
00:32:05,322 --> 00:32:09,281
We went to Iba
to shoot the scene that got cut.

474
00:32:10,828 --> 00:32:13,956
The set was, like, 80% demolished.

475
00:32:14,064 --> 00:32:16,658
It was, like, mud up to the knees.

476
00:32:16,767 --> 00:32:19,235
It was like pissing, man.

477
00:32:19,336 --> 00:32:20,997
I mean, it was hitting you so hard,
it hurt.

478
00:32:26,610 --> 00:32:29,909
It started out just as raining a lot,
and after a while, we realized

479
00:32:30,014 --> 00:32:33,074
it was knocking out
centers of civilizations,

480
00:32:33,184 --> 00:32:37,052
and rivers were overrunning,
and people couldn't get to the places...

481
00:32:37,154 --> 00:32:39,987
They were all on the roofs
of hotels and stuff.

482
00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:42,354
We had to stop for a while.

483
00:32:42,459 --> 00:32:44,188
And I realized that certain sets
had been destroyed.

484
00:33:08,052 --> 00:33:09,576
In order to rebuild the sets,

485
00:33:09,687 --> 00:33:12,554
Francis has closed down
the production for two months.

486
00:33:12,656 --> 00:33:15,216
The cast and crew
have been sent home.

487
00:33:15,693 --> 00:33:18,253
It was an opportunity
for everyone, really,

488
00:33:18,729 --> 00:33:21,220
to have a little relief from the situation,

489
00:33:21,332 --> 00:33:24,460
because it became apparent
that it was gonna go on longer

490
00:33:24,568 --> 00:33:26,866
than we realized in the beginning.

491
00:33:31,141 --> 00:33:33,701
Last night, we slept outside on the lawn.

492
00:33:33,811 --> 00:33:36,905
It was beautiful, so clear, with stars.

493
00:33:37,014 --> 00:33:39,812
Francis tossed and turned,
having nightmares.

494
00:33:39,917 --> 00:33:43,478
This morning he said he'd had a dream
about how to finish the script.

495
00:33:43,587 --> 00:33:46,647
But now that he was awake,
it wasn't any good.

496
00:33:46,757 --> 00:33:49,157
He said he couldn't go on
making the John Milius script

497
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:51,524
because it didn't really express
his ideas,

498
00:33:51,629 --> 00:33:55,998
and he still doesn't know how to make
the film into his personal vision.

499
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:58,432
He's been struggling with this
for so long.

500
00:33:58,535 --> 00:34:00,935
He knows the material
backwards and forwards.

501
00:34:01,038 --> 00:34:03,529
He is practically chasing his tail.

502
00:34:03,907 --> 00:34:07,343
First of all, I call this whole movie
the Idiodyssey.

503
00:34:08,646 --> 00:34:11,979
- The Idiodyssey?
- This is the Idiodyssey.

504
00:34:12,082 --> 00:34:15,916
None of my tools, none of my tricks,

505
00:34:16,020 --> 00:34:19,820
none of my ways of doing things
works for this ending.

506
00:34:19,923 --> 00:34:23,518
I have tried so many times
that I know I can't do it.

507
00:34:25,029 --> 00:34:27,122
It might be a big victory
to know that I can't do it.

508
00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:29,927
I can't write the ending to this movie.

509
00:34:30,301 --> 00:34:33,634
I was on the spot.
I had gotten myself into something big.

510
00:34:33,737 --> 00:34:37,639
Some people had come through,
a lot of people hadn't.

511
00:34:38,108 --> 00:34:40,599
And it was my job
and also my financial burden

512
00:34:40,711 --> 00:34:42,611
to pick up the pieces
and finish the movie.

513
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,646
I didn't quite understand
all the ramifications of the financing.

514
00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:49,719
I felt that he'd do whatever he had to,
we'd borrow the money.

515
00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:51,378
But I really support him as an artist,

516
00:34:51,488 --> 00:34:55,322
and I feel like whatever
the artist needs to do

517
00:34:55,426 --> 00:34:58,020
in order to get his artwork is okay.

518
00:34:58,128 --> 00:35:00,596
And I always felt confident.
So what's the worst that can happen?

519
00:35:00,698 --> 00:35:03,895
They take away your big house,
they take away your car, so what?

520
00:35:04,001 --> 00:35:07,198
He was a very creative person
and could make another film

521
00:35:07,304 --> 00:35:12,833
and could do another job
and earn his living and provide for us.

522
00:35:12,943 --> 00:35:16,435
So I really wasn't frightened by it.

523
00:35:16,547 --> 00:35:20,449
In fact, at that point in time,
we had escalated our life style.

524
00:35:20,551 --> 00:35:23,679
We had this big
22-room Victorian house,

525
00:35:23,787 --> 00:35:25,618
you know, a staff and a screening room.

526
00:35:25,723 --> 00:35:28,692
Life was kind of complicated for me.
And entertaining...

527
00:35:28,792 --> 00:35:31,556
And I would have loved
to have had my lifestyle

528
00:35:31,662 --> 00:35:33,857
reduced to some smaller scale.

529
00:35:33,964 --> 00:35:35,989
So that part of me
was just fearless in that regard.

530
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:42,164
It really didn't matter if it all went
down the tubes in financing this project.

531
00:35:42,272 --> 00:35:43,261
It was really okay.

532
00:35:49,279 --> 00:35:52,146
A melodrama is currently
playing itself out in Hollywood

533
00:35:52,249 --> 00:35:55,946
that for sheer emotionalism
rivals anything put on film.

534
00:35:56,420 --> 00:36:00,083
The embattled figure in this drama
is director Francis Coppola,

535
00:36:00,190 --> 00:36:01,919
who once again finds himself
waging a war

536
00:36:02,025 --> 00:36:04,550
to keep his dream financially afloat.

537
00:36:04,928 --> 00:36:07,988
Now, if you read newspapers at all
or listen to the radio, you know

538
00:36:08,098 --> 00:36:11,158
that Mr. Coppola has been involved
in the production of this motion picture

539
00:36:11,635 --> 00:36:13,500
for more years than
even he would care to count.

540
00:36:18,776 --> 00:36:20,403
The press painted a portrait of me

541
00:36:20,511 --> 00:36:24,003
as sort of a crazy person
and financially irresponsible,

542
00:36:24,114 --> 00:36:27,015
which I don't particularly think
is really true.

543
00:36:27,117 --> 00:36:28,846
No doubt that it was my money.

544
00:36:28,952 --> 00:36:32,080
But the difference was that
Apocalypse Now was about Vietnam.

545
00:36:32,189 --> 00:36:36,216
That was what made it sound
like such a crazy financial bet.

546
00:36:36,827 --> 00:36:38,852
Did you ever consider quitting?

547
00:36:38,962 --> 00:36:43,194
How am I going to quit from myself?
Am I going to say, "Francis, I quit"?

548
00:36:43,767 --> 00:36:47,168
You know, I was financing the movie.
How could I quit?

549
00:36:50,507 --> 00:36:52,600
July 25th, 1976.

550
00:36:53,444 --> 00:36:56,607
We've returned to the Philippines
to resume production.

551
00:36:56,713 --> 00:37:00,308
Francis hopes to finish shooting
in the early fall.

552
00:37:07,758 --> 00:37:11,489
There is a kind of powerful exhilaration
in the face of losing everything,

553
00:37:11,595 --> 00:37:12,823
like the excitement of war

554
00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:16,263
when one kills
or takes the chance of being killed.

555
00:37:16,366 --> 00:37:18,561
Francis has taken
the biggest risk of his life

556
00:37:18,669 --> 00:37:21,035
in the way he's making this film.

557
00:37:21,138 --> 00:37:23,538
This film is now $3 million over budget,

558
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,939
which the distributor, United Artists,
has agreed to put up.

559
00:37:27,044 --> 00:37:31,572
But Francis has to pay it back if the film
doesn't make $40 million or more.

560
00:37:31,682 --> 00:37:34,742
That just gets me all the more focused
on the present moment

561
00:37:34,852 --> 00:37:38,879
and not allow myself to think
about the "what-ifs" of the future.

562
00:37:40,457 --> 00:37:42,288
I know that every building that's built

563
00:37:42,392 --> 00:37:45,953
runs into big production overages,
every bridge that's built.

564
00:37:46,063 --> 00:37:47,087
Every NASA project,

565
00:37:47,197 --> 00:37:52,533
any large project that involves
lots of people, conditions, weather,

566
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:54,028
of a construction nature,

567
00:37:54,137 --> 00:37:55,866
goes over all the time.

568
00:37:55,973 --> 00:37:58,168
And a movie is no exception.

569
00:37:58,275 --> 00:38:01,039
It's true that
since it was my own money,

570
00:38:01,144 --> 00:38:03,772
and once I felt that
I was going in a direction,

571
00:38:03,881 --> 00:38:07,112
I wanted to continue
going in that direction.

572
00:38:07,217 --> 00:38:09,845
Since it was my money,
I just did it, really.

573
00:38:10,153 --> 00:38:12,451
There was a sequence in the film,

574
00:38:12,556 --> 00:38:14,820
so-called the French plantation
sequence,

575
00:38:14,925 --> 00:38:16,950
and it involved

576
00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:19,620
the PBR coming ashore

577
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:25,669
to this rubber plantation still run
by these French-speaking people,

578
00:38:25,769 --> 00:38:27,669
and they had a whole bunch of cadre,

579
00:38:27,771 --> 00:38:30,638
and they'd been fighting the Viet Minh
before the Viet Cong,

580
00:38:30,741 --> 00:38:32,834
and they weren't letting go.

581
00:38:33,977 --> 00:38:35,774
Hey, this is
French plantation discussion.

582
00:38:35,879 --> 00:38:36,846
French plantation...

583
00:38:36,947 --> 00:38:42,010
The whole scene is gonna be made
of wisps of fog close to the ground,

584
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,145
and a place that's like a dream.

585
00:38:45,255 --> 00:38:47,621
If you need more fog machines...

586
00:38:47,724 --> 00:38:51,216
Have more than enough machines.
How much do they cost?

587
00:38:51,328 --> 00:38:53,319
- Can I buy the ones I already bought?
- Sure.

588
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:55,398
Okay, I'll give them to you as a gift
after the show,

589
00:38:55,499 --> 00:38:56,488
but have enough of them.

590
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,090
Now, I want some real machine guns.

591
00:38:58,201 --> 00:39:01,295
Get the PC to go over
and strafe the side of that house

592
00:39:01,405 --> 00:39:04,306
as though Fidel Castro
had his last stand there.

593
00:39:04,408 --> 00:39:08,742
I'd like three or four French people,
and I'll spend money for it.

594
00:39:08,845 --> 00:39:10,506
But I don't want to fly them from France.

595
00:39:10,614 --> 00:39:14,607
If you can't get them from Hong Kong,
Singapore, Japan, Okinawa,

596
00:39:14,718 --> 00:39:16,686
then I will fly them from France.

597
00:39:16,787 --> 00:39:18,755
White wine should be served ice cold.

598
00:39:18,855 --> 00:39:22,154
Red wine should be served
at about 58 degrees.

599
00:39:22,259 --> 00:39:25,786
Should be opened approximately
an hour to an hour-and-a-half

600
00:39:25,896 --> 00:39:28,126
to even two hours before served.

601
00:39:28,231 --> 00:39:31,723
I want a French ceremony
that is right out of a fucking...

602
00:39:31,835 --> 00:39:35,532
I want the French to say,
"My God, how did they do that?"

603
00:39:36,807 --> 00:39:38,866
Well, my idea was,
as they progressed up the river,

604
00:39:38,976 --> 00:39:41,945
they were, like,
going back more and more in time

605
00:39:42,045 --> 00:39:44,138
in a funny kind of way,

606
00:39:44,247 --> 00:39:47,182
that we were revisiting
the history of Vietnam in reverse.

607
00:39:47,284 --> 00:39:49,912
And the first stop was
in the '50s almost.

608
00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:51,817
We now are with the French.

609
00:39:51,922 --> 00:39:55,414
That was what I was looking for
in the French plantation

610
00:39:55,525 --> 00:39:58,585
that was a kind of ghostly afterview
of something,

611
00:39:58,695 --> 00:40:01,163
almost like they talk about the light
from the stars.

612
00:40:01,264 --> 00:40:04,233
We see it after the star's already dead,

613
00:40:04,334 --> 00:40:06,063
you know, and it was that kind of mood.

614
00:40:08,538 --> 00:40:11,769
It was like having dinner
with a family of ghosts.

615
00:40:12,442 --> 00:40:16,776
There were still a few hundred of them
left on plantations all over Vietnam,

616
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,577
trying to keep themselves convinced
that it was still 1950.

617
00:40:21,251 --> 00:40:24,948
They weren't French anymore,
and they'd never be Vietnamese.

618
00:40:25,822 --> 00:40:29,155
They were floating loose in history,
without a country.

619
00:40:29,259 --> 00:40:32,956
They were hanging on
by their fingernails, but so were we.

620
00:40:33,664 --> 00:40:36,189
We just had more fingernails in it.

621
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:40,758
How long can you possibly stay here?

622
00:40:43,206 --> 00:40:45,071
- Stay?
- No, no. I mean...

623
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:49,538
When will you go back home to France?

624
00:40:50,047 --> 00:40:51,344
Back home?

625
00:40:51,782 --> 00:40:54,250
I mean, this is our home, Captain.

626
00:40:54,351 --> 00:40:57,445
- Sooner or later, you're gonna...
- No, Captain!

627
00:40:58,622 --> 00:41:02,080
I mean, you don't know anything
about the French mentality.

628
00:41:02,192 --> 00:41:05,423
It was just the idea
of the French still being there.

629
00:41:05,529 --> 00:41:08,657
There was some speech
that he gives at the end, that he said,

630
00:41:08,765 --> 00:41:12,394
"If they drive us from the house,
we will live in a ditch,

631
00:41:13,103 --> 00:41:17,335
"and if they push us out of the ditch,
we'll live in the jungle.

632
00:41:18,842 --> 00:41:22,744
"All the time we will clean
the blood from our bayonets."

633
00:41:22,846 --> 00:41:24,211
I like that.

634
00:41:24,815 --> 00:41:28,342
So when you ask me why
we want to stay here, Captain,

635
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,418
we want to stay here because it's ours.

636
00:41:32,522 --> 00:41:34,547
It belongs to us.

637
00:41:34,658 --> 00:41:36,922
It keeps our family together.

638
00:41:38,962 --> 00:41:40,987
I mean, we fight for that.

639
00:41:42,099 --> 00:41:43,896
While you American,

640
00:41:44,868 --> 00:41:49,703
you are fighting
for the biggest nothing in history.

641
00:41:51,341 --> 00:41:53,468
Our budgets were cut way down

642
00:41:53,577 --> 00:41:56,068
and we didn't get the cast
that we wanted.

643
00:41:56,179 --> 00:41:58,272
But of course, the art department
and the other departments

644
00:41:58,381 --> 00:42:01,009
didn't cut theirs down,
so I was very incensed

645
00:42:01,118 --> 00:42:04,315
that I had this extraordinary set,
that costly set.

646
00:42:04,421 --> 00:42:08,323
Extraordinary decorations and stuff.

647
00:42:08,425 --> 00:42:11,394
I was just angry
at the French sequence.

648
00:42:11,495 --> 00:42:13,759
I cut it out, out of that.

649
00:42:13,864 --> 00:42:16,662
I was very unhappy on every count.

650
00:42:16,767 --> 00:42:18,291
The light, the whole thing.

651
00:42:18,401 --> 00:42:21,427
So everyone forget that we even shot it.

652
00:42:21,538 --> 00:42:23,665
No longer does it exist.

653
00:42:37,888 --> 00:42:42,552
What I'm worried about is that I'm
getting into a self-indulgent pattern.

654
00:42:42,659 --> 00:42:45,719
But don't you, on the one hand,
feel like that's

655
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:48,696
where your gifts as an artist
are working?

656
00:42:48,799 --> 00:42:50,960
They're on that brink
of not knowing what to do.

657
00:42:51,067 --> 00:42:53,001
What if you just scream out
to the heavens,

658
00:42:53,103 --> 00:42:54,798
"I don't know what the fuck I'm doing!"

659
00:42:54,905 --> 00:42:56,202
I've done that.

660
00:42:56,306 --> 00:42:59,002
That's another form of self-indulgence.

661
00:43:00,210 --> 00:43:03,111
I'm sure I've missed
a whole bunch of opportunities,

662
00:43:03,213 --> 00:43:04,908
and I'm gonna miss others.

663
00:43:05,015 --> 00:43:06,778
But I've caught a lot of them, too.

664
00:43:06,883 --> 00:43:10,979
In the end, it's how many I catch,
not how many I lose.

665
00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:19,928
Francis is in a place within himself,

666
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:22,260
a place he never intended to reach,

667
00:43:22,365 --> 00:43:23,832
a place of conflict.

668
00:43:23,934 --> 00:43:28,234
And he can't go back down the river
because the journey has changed him.

669
00:43:28,338 --> 00:43:31,205
I was watching
from the point of view of the observer,

670
00:43:31,308 --> 00:43:34,471
not realizing I was on the journey, too.

671
00:43:34,578 --> 00:43:36,944
Now, I can't go back to the way it was.

672
00:43:37,047 --> 00:43:39,914
Neither can Francis.
Neither can Willard.

673
00:43:45,255 --> 00:43:48,315
It was like traveling back to
the earliest beginnings of the world

674
00:43:48,425 --> 00:43:52,122
when vegetation rioted on the Earth
and the big trees were kings.

675
00:43:52,229 --> 00:43:54,857
Trees, millions of trees,

676
00:43:54,965 --> 00:43:58,526
massive, immense, running up high.

677
00:43:58,635 --> 00:44:01,365
And at their foot,
hugging the bank against the stream,

678
00:44:01,471 --> 00:44:05,532
crept the little begrimed steamboat,
like a sluggish beetle

679
00:44:05,642 --> 00:44:09,078
crawling on the floor of a lofty portico.

680
00:44:09,179 --> 00:44:12,671
Where the company men
imagined it crawled to, I don't know.

681
00:44:12,782 --> 00:44:13,976
For me,

682
00:44:14,751 --> 00:44:16,719
it crawled toward Kurtz.

683
00:44:34,104 --> 00:44:36,766
Francis works in a very intuitive way.

684
00:44:37,374 --> 00:44:42,243
So he likes to take advantage of things
as he moves along through a picture.

685
00:44:42,345 --> 00:44:44,813
And Francis just likes it to flow.

686
00:44:44,915 --> 00:44:46,906
And whenever you do that,

687
00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:50,544
you end up with a problem
of having a film

688
00:44:50,654 --> 00:44:52,986
at times that is way too long

689
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:56,923
and a film that doesn't have
a really strong narrative line in it

690
00:44:57,027 --> 00:45:00,758
that you can keep
the audience hooked in.

691
00:45:00,864 --> 00:45:03,128
And when you get
into this anger, Albert,

692
00:45:03,233 --> 00:45:06,293
don't decide where you're gonna get to.

693
00:45:06,403 --> 00:45:09,839
Wherever you get to,
as long as it's out of you, is okay.

694
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:11,965
Francis used to write
on these little cards.

695
00:45:12,075 --> 00:45:15,476
I managed to hold on to some of these.

696
00:45:16,947 --> 00:45:20,075
- You want to read one of them?
- Well, let me get the pages right.

697
00:45:20,183 --> 00:45:23,209
And see, we put them
on little cards like this.

698
00:45:24,921 --> 00:45:28,721
Now we have
the main boat approaching.

699
00:45:28,825 --> 00:45:31,089
Now we have the birds.
We don't have the birds great,

700
00:45:31,194 --> 00:45:33,355
but we'll never get it great. The birds...

701
00:45:33,463 --> 00:45:36,728
And then I propose
that we do four close-ups.

702
00:45:36,833 --> 00:45:40,234
Sam, Chief, Martin, everyone,
looking at the birds,

703
00:45:40,337 --> 00:45:42,931
so I can use the sound of the birds
or maybe three birds going through,

704
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,371
and I can create the illusion
of there being birds.

705
00:45:45,475 --> 00:45:49,377
"Birds. Lance.
POVs of blackbirds. Boat."

706
00:45:49,479 --> 00:45:52,277
It was like this. This was his shot list.

707
00:45:52,782 --> 00:45:54,943
Sometimes we'd get pages
that would say...

708
00:45:55,051 --> 00:45:59,283
It'd say "scenes unknown"
on the call sheet.

709
00:45:59,789 --> 00:46:01,780
You just would show up, you know.

710
00:46:01,891 --> 00:46:03,085
They didn't know
what they were going to do.

711
00:46:03,193 --> 00:46:05,684
We didn't just go out there and,
"Oh, what can we do today?"

712
00:46:05,795 --> 00:46:08,593
There was a real plan for each day.

713
00:46:08,698 --> 00:46:11,258
But since Francis is a writer

714
00:46:11,368 --> 00:46:13,802
and was a co-writer of the script,

715
00:46:13,903 --> 00:46:17,236
he could create things at the moment,

716
00:46:17,340 --> 00:46:19,900
and if a new idea came up,

717
00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:22,535
he would sit there up all night
and write it.

718
00:46:22,645 --> 00:46:26,081
Then you're gonna get into this
weird speech of, "Fire, fire.

719
00:46:26,182 --> 00:46:27,615
"You demons. You sons of bitches.

720
00:46:27,717 --> 00:46:29,708
"Get away from us.
Get away from this boat.

721
00:46:29,819 --> 00:46:32,617
"Back, you walking dead,
you zombies, you sons of bitches.

722
00:46:32,722 --> 00:46:34,121
"Captain, you made this.

723
00:46:34,224 --> 00:46:36,454
"This is your hell, your nightmare."

724
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:39,995
I felt that he just thought
a lot of his actors,

725
00:46:40,163 --> 00:46:45,226
we were gems
who were to bring his ideas to life.

726
00:46:45,335 --> 00:46:48,532
And he also took
a lot of our creative input.

727
00:46:49,272 --> 00:46:53,504
Why don't we go,
"You want to kill us all. You're insane.

728
00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:56,272
"You've gone insane.
You're more of a savage.

729
00:46:56,379 --> 00:46:58,176
"You're insane,
savage like those people."

730
00:46:58,281 --> 00:46:59,509
- Or something like that?
- Okay.

731
00:46:59,616 --> 00:47:01,516
You try it, though. "This is your hell."

732
00:47:01,618 --> 00:47:05,179
"This dream is your hell.
This is your nightmare.

733
00:47:05,288 --> 00:47:08,951
"You made it, you liquor-guzzling,
dipsomaniac son of a bitch.

734
00:47:09,059 --> 00:47:10,287
"You bastard!"

735
00:47:10,894 --> 00:47:14,455
Somehow get the idea that you...
You're going mad.

736
00:47:14,564 --> 00:47:17,829
You've gone mad.

737
00:47:18,368 --> 00:47:22,361
Once he set that feel for us,
we just started improvising

738
00:47:22,472 --> 00:47:24,372
everything that was happening
on the boat.

739
00:47:24,474 --> 00:47:27,272
Sampan off the port bow.
Let's take a look.

740
00:47:28,278 --> 00:47:32,271
Lance, bring them in. Clean, on the 60.
Chef, get a 16.

741
00:47:33,183 --> 00:47:38,587
Francis had us write up lists of things
that we wanted our characters to do.

742
00:47:40,323 --> 00:47:41,312
I remember we all decided

743
00:47:41,424 --> 00:47:43,858
that we wanted to do
sort of a My Lai Massacre.

744
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,325
We thought an interrogation of a boat

745
00:47:45,428 --> 00:47:48,864
that ended in a firefight
and the loss of many lives.

746
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:51,567
We wanted to experience
something like that.

747
00:47:51,734 --> 00:47:54,726
- There ain't nothing in here.
- What's in the boxes?

748
00:47:54,838 --> 00:47:57,102
- Look in the tin can and rusted cans.
- Nothing.

749
00:47:57,207 --> 00:47:59,368
Just fucking rice and that's all!
There ain't nothing on it!

750
00:47:59,476 --> 00:48:01,068
Check the yellow can.
Check the yellow can!

751
00:48:01,177 --> 00:48:03,236
She was sitting on it. What's in it?

752
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:07,777
Chef!

753
00:48:12,622 --> 00:48:15,147
Motherfucking... Cocksucker!

754
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,757
- Hold it.
- Let's kill them all, huh? Idiots!

755
00:48:20,864 --> 00:48:23,059
- Fucking cocksucker!
- Hold it! Hold it!

756
00:48:23,166 --> 00:48:25,566
Let's kill all the assholes!

757
00:48:25,668 --> 00:48:28,000
- Hold it! Chef, hold it!
- Why not?

758
00:48:28,104 --> 00:48:31,938
Jesus Christ. Why the fuck not?

759
00:48:33,676 --> 00:48:35,303
- Clean.
- I'm good.

760
00:48:40,049 --> 00:48:42,210
See what she was running for?

761
00:48:45,488 --> 00:48:47,251
It's a fucking puppy!

762
00:48:47,590 --> 00:48:52,027
I think what it was that was me
that was Clean was just that I was a kid.

763
00:48:52,362 --> 00:48:54,922
And that's, I think,
what my role is about.

764
00:48:55,031 --> 00:48:58,432
I mean, it's about the kids
that were over there

765
00:49:00,370 --> 00:49:03,032
who didn't know anything
about anything.

766
00:49:04,474 --> 00:49:08,001
They were just kind of snatched up
and used as cannon fodder for this war.

767
00:49:40,009 --> 00:49:42,034
Everyone who has come out here
to the Philippines

768
00:49:42,145 --> 00:49:45,672
seems to be going through something
that is affecting them profoundly,

769
00:49:45,782 --> 00:49:49,650
changing their perspective
about the world or themselves,

770
00:49:49,752 --> 00:49:53,381
while the same thing is happening
to Willard in the course of the film.

771
00:49:53,489 --> 00:49:56,754
Something is definitely
happening to me and to Francis.

772
00:50:48,077 --> 00:50:49,408
Filmmaking, at least for me,

773
00:50:49,512 --> 00:50:53,107
wasn't really just a matter
of writing this little script

774
00:50:53,216 --> 00:50:56,652
and then going and doing it
as you thought that your own life

775
00:50:56,753 --> 00:50:58,653
and your own experience
during the making of it

776
00:50:58,755 --> 00:51:01,019
was also a very strong element,

777
00:51:01,658 --> 00:51:04,218
and that somehow the director works

778
00:51:04,327 --> 00:51:08,229
with more than just having the script

779
00:51:08,331 --> 00:51:10,629
and having the team
of people and actors.

780
00:51:10,733 --> 00:51:15,432
Also, the conditions and the mood
of the company and of each individual

781
00:51:15,538 --> 00:51:17,506
and what personally
people are going through

782
00:51:17,607 --> 00:51:22,067
is also one of
the primary elements of the film.

783
00:51:22,178 --> 00:51:26,046
I mean, what's the matter with you?
You're acting kind of weird.

784
00:51:26,149 --> 00:51:28,879
Hey, you know that last tab of acid
I was saving?

785
00:51:28,985 --> 00:51:30,509
Yeah.

786
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:33,054
- I dropped it.
- You dropped acid?

787
00:51:33,156 --> 00:51:34,555
Far out.

788
00:51:34,657 --> 00:51:38,184
Most of my character was done
under the influence of pot.

789
00:51:38,961 --> 00:51:40,895
We smoked a lot of that.

790
00:51:43,266 --> 00:51:47,168
You know, the film crew
just became our guests upriver with us.

791
00:51:48,271 --> 00:51:50,501
- Did you drop any acid?
- Sure.

792
00:51:51,507 --> 00:51:54,408
- Did you drop any acid during filming?
- Sure.

793
00:51:55,078 --> 00:51:56,739
At Do Lung bridge?

794
00:52:00,416 --> 00:52:03,749
No, I did something else
at Do Lung bridge. I...

795
00:52:05,154 --> 00:52:08,453
I didn't take any acid there.
I did something else.

796
00:52:09,325 --> 00:52:12,226
- What did you do?
- I was doing speed then.

797
00:52:12,328 --> 00:52:17,459
We were working lots of nights,
and I wanted a speedy sort of edge. I...

798
00:52:20,336 --> 00:52:22,497
And marijuana and alcohol...

799
00:52:22,605 --> 00:52:25,005
I mean, we were bad.
We were just bad boys.

800
00:52:25,274 --> 00:52:28,437
Sort of crazy, you know. Slightly mad.

801
00:52:29,278 --> 00:52:30,506
The whole thing was mad, you know.

802
00:52:30,613 --> 00:52:32,979
We felt after a while
we really weren't there.

803
00:52:33,082 --> 00:52:34,947
It was like
we were in a dream or something.

804
00:52:35,585 --> 00:52:36,813
We'd say to Francis,

805
00:52:36,919 --> 00:52:40,878
"I'm not here, Francis.
I'm in Montana with Jack Nicholson."

806
00:52:40,990 --> 00:52:42,821
So they'd say,
"Where are you today, Freddy?"

807
00:52:42,925 --> 00:52:45,291
I'd be in Waco,
I could be in Des Moines...

808
00:52:45,395 --> 00:52:47,090
Wherever I wanted to be.

809
00:52:47,196 --> 00:52:50,893
And you would just go through your day.
You weren't in that place.

810
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,558
...study at the Escoffier school.

811
00:52:52,668 --> 00:52:53,930
That was really crazy, man,

812
00:52:54,036 --> 00:52:57,335
that time in the jungle
with me and Marty and the tiger.

813
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,671
Yeah, that was really...
That was just insane.

814
00:53:01,077 --> 00:53:04,638
We had this guy there with the tiger...
A couple, the trainers.

815
00:53:04,747 --> 00:53:06,544
He had a slight speech impediment.

816
00:53:06,649 --> 00:53:09,948
He had scar tissue,
like, all over his face

817
00:53:10,052 --> 00:53:12,782
where he'd had some bouts
with his tiger, Gambi.

818
00:53:13,423 --> 00:53:17,689
You had a cat that's done that two
or three times, it's no longer worth it.

819
00:53:18,394 --> 00:53:21,022
Because once
they put a hole in your leg...

820
00:53:21,130 --> 00:53:23,963
It's usually on the joint because
it's usually where they're going for,

821
00:53:24,066 --> 00:53:26,694
and you can't walk for a year.

822
00:53:26,803 --> 00:53:27,861
And you don't wanna do it anymore,

823
00:53:27,970 --> 00:53:30,803
so you usually put the cat out
and start over again.

824
00:53:30,907 --> 00:53:34,707
The trainer had, like, a pig on a string,
so the tiger would see him.

825
00:53:34,811 --> 00:53:36,005
Then he was gonna pull him back

826
00:53:36,112 --> 00:53:38,239
to make him jump
at the right angle or something.

827
00:53:38,347 --> 00:53:40,212
So the guy'd come around and say,

828
00:53:40,316 --> 00:53:44,047
"Gambi's very hungry today, Martin.
He's very hungry, Mr. Coppola.

829
00:53:44,153 --> 00:53:46,246
"I'm sure he will do exactly
what you want.

830
00:53:46,355 --> 00:53:48,220
"We haven't fed him in a week."

831
00:53:48,324 --> 00:53:50,224
- Oh, shit.
- Action.

832
00:53:51,961 --> 00:53:54,521
We'd come out there and
Francis'd keep saying, "Get closer."

833
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:58,225
We're saying, "y ou get closer, Francis.
You get closer."

834
00:54:02,472 --> 00:54:03,803
What is it?

835
00:54:06,108 --> 00:54:08,008
Charlie? V.C.?

836
00:54:14,317 --> 00:54:15,477
Tiger!

837
00:54:17,653 --> 00:54:19,382
Man, I've never been so frightened
in my life,

838
00:54:19,489 --> 00:54:21,354
because it was so fast, man.

839
00:54:21,457 --> 00:54:24,551
Guys were running everywhere,
climbing trees.

840
00:54:24,660 --> 00:54:27,128
I got to remember,
never get out of the boat!

841
00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:28,527
Never get out of the boat!

842
00:54:28,631 --> 00:54:32,499
And to me, that was the essence
of the whole film in Vietnam,

843
00:54:32,602 --> 00:54:36,504
where it was the look
in that tiger's eyes, the madness,

844
00:54:36,606 --> 00:54:40,042
like it didn't matter what you wanted.
There was no reality anymore.

845
00:54:40,142 --> 00:54:42,975
If that tiger wanted you, you were his.

846
00:54:49,552 --> 00:54:53,784
Never get out of the boat.
Absolutely goddamn right.

847
00:54:55,858 --> 00:54:58,292
Unless you were going all the way.

848
00:55:00,096 --> 00:55:04,157
I remember complaining
to Francis one day about my confusion

849
00:55:04,267 --> 00:55:07,566
about all that was going down,
and I said to him,

850
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:10,730
"I don't know who this guy is.
Who is this Willard?"

851
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,900
And Francis just looked at me
square in the eye and he said,

852
00:55:14,010 --> 00:55:17,104
"He's you. Whoever you are.

853
00:55:18,481 --> 00:55:22,508
"Whatever we're filming at the time,
you are that character."

854
00:55:27,323 --> 00:55:29,120
Francis said he had a dream
a few nights ago

855
00:55:29,225 --> 00:55:31,853
about being on the set
of the Saigon hotel room

856
00:55:31,961 --> 00:55:34,555
with Marty and a Green Beret advisor.

857
00:55:34,664 --> 00:55:37,258
In the dream,
the Green Beret was telling Francis

858
00:55:37,366 --> 00:55:41,769
that what he was doing with Marty
was wrong. It would never be like that.

859
00:55:41,871 --> 00:55:44,704
The Green Beret said
those guys were vain.

860
00:55:44,807 --> 00:55:45,967
The guy would go to the mirror

861
00:55:46,075 --> 00:55:49,135
and admire his beautiful hair
and beautiful mouth.

862
00:55:49,245 --> 00:55:53,238
In Francis' dream, he had Marty
go to the mirror and look at himself,

863
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:54,976
admire his mouth.

864
00:55:55,084 --> 00:55:56,517
And when he turned around,

865
00:55:56,619 --> 00:56:00,680
Francis could see that Marty
had suddenly turned into Willard.

866
00:56:06,862 --> 00:56:09,387
Francis was going for a moment

867
00:56:09,498 --> 00:56:13,525
where you see
Martin Sheen's dark side,

868
00:56:13,636 --> 00:56:15,866
his primeval being or something...

869
00:56:15,972 --> 00:56:20,102
Some part of him
that would lead you to understand

870
00:56:20,209 --> 00:56:22,905
how this person could
commit an assassination.

871
00:56:23,346 --> 00:56:27,146
At the time of doing that scene,
I was talking in terms of

872
00:56:27,249 --> 00:56:31,777
showing the different levels
of good and evil in yourself.

873
00:56:31,887 --> 00:56:35,721
And I imagined that this guy did things
that nobody had ever seen,

874
00:56:35,825 --> 00:56:38,157
or he'd never talk to anyone,
must still be in him.

875
00:56:38,260 --> 00:56:42,390
And he must have that Kurtzian
other side in him.

876
00:56:42,999 --> 00:56:45,263
Fellows, get ready as soon
as you can, please!

877
00:56:45,368 --> 00:56:46,995
Let's go. Got to reload.

878
00:56:47,103 --> 00:56:48,127
Give us a little boost here!

879
00:56:48,237 --> 00:56:50,398
Okay, fellows, here we go.

880
00:56:54,610 --> 00:56:58,808
They set up this hotel room,
and Marty decided to have a few drinks.

881
00:56:59,715 --> 00:57:01,376
He wasn't drinking at all at the time,

882
00:57:01,484 --> 00:57:05,181
and they rolled the cameras
without telling him what to do.

883
00:57:08,557 --> 00:57:11,151
Fellows, watch your reflections
in the mirror. Here we go.

884
00:57:11,260 --> 00:57:12,454
Yeah, places, everybody.

885
00:57:12,561 --> 00:57:15,052
Five-B, take three, camera A.

886
00:57:15,331 --> 00:57:16,491
Action!

887
00:57:19,001 --> 00:57:24,132
That opening sequence was shot
on my 36th birthday, August 3rd,

888
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,403
and I was so drunk,
I couldn't stand up, frankly.

889
00:57:28,210 --> 00:57:30,974
Marty, go look at yourself in the mirror.

890
00:57:33,416 --> 00:57:34,815
I want you to look
at how beautiful you are.

891
00:57:34,917 --> 00:57:38,819
I want you to look at your mouth,
your mouth and your hair.

892
00:57:43,225 --> 00:57:45,386
You look like a movie star.

893
00:57:49,231 --> 00:57:51,392
Now frighten yourself, Marty.

894
00:57:53,102 --> 00:57:55,866
Show yourself the part that's an animal.

895
00:58:08,217 --> 00:58:11,983
I was so intoxicated, I didn't realize
how close to the mirror I was.

896
00:58:12,088 --> 00:58:13,350
So when I struck it,

897
00:58:13,456 --> 00:58:17,722
I ended up catching my thumb
in the mirror and split it open a bit.

898
00:58:19,995 --> 00:58:21,155
Okay, cut.

899
00:58:23,032 --> 00:58:24,294
Do we have a doctor?

900
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,428
Francis tried to stop it,
and he called for a doctor.

901
00:58:27,536 --> 00:58:32,132
There was a nurse standing by,
and I said, "No, let it go.

902
00:58:32,975 --> 00:58:35,375
"I want to have this out
right here and now."

903
00:58:35,478 --> 00:58:37,742
It had to do with facing
my worst enemy, myself.

904
00:58:39,348 --> 00:58:43,478
I was in a chaotic, spiritual state inside.

905
00:58:48,824 --> 00:58:50,348
Talk to me.

906
00:58:55,798 --> 00:58:58,767
Why did you come back?
Why did you come back?

907
00:59:06,308 --> 00:59:08,469
I fought him like a tiger.

908
00:59:09,645 --> 00:59:13,479
It was real hard for me to reveal myself.

909
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:16,781
You fucker!

910
00:59:18,454 --> 00:59:19,944
Think about it.

911
00:59:21,524 --> 00:59:22,923
Your wife.

912
00:59:25,394 --> 00:59:28,022
- Your home.
- I...

913
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:29,427
Your car.

914
00:59:33,569 --> 00:59:34,627
My...

915
00:59:36,739 --> 00:59:39,867
My heart is broken!

916
00:59:43,112 --> 00:59:45,171
God damn it!

917
00:59:47,149 --> 00:59:48,980
The room had been charged
with the possibility

918
00:59:49,084 --> 00:59:52,485
that Marty might lunge at the camera
or attack Francis.

919
00:59:52,588 --> 00:59:56,684
There was an electricity in the room.
Anything could happen.

920
00:59:56,792 --> 00:59:59,955
They were inside somebody,
in his personal territory,

921
01:00:00,062 --> 01:00:03,088
with a man alone
in his most private moment.

922
01:00:11,574 --> 01:00:15,908
I pretended I couldn't remember
a lot of the things I'd done that night.

923
01:00:16,011 --> 01:00:18,241
Actually, I remembered it all.

924
01:00:18,848 --> 01:00:20,713
Dave, give me a hand, would you?

925
01:00:21,550 --> 01:00:24,041
Come on, pal, let's take a shower.

926
01:00:25,888 --> 01:00:30,587
Marty is extremely generous,
big-hearted man.

927
01:00:32,094 --> 01:00:34,358
He's filled with a lot of love,

928
01:00:34,964 --> 01:00:37,933
and...

929
01:00:38,934 --> 01:00:40,663
Much unlike Willard.

930
01:00:43,072 --> 01:00:46,599
And so, when you ask Marty

931
01:00:47,509 --> 01:00:50,706
to examine the darker nature
of this character,

932
01:00:52,147 --> 01:00:54,775
it meant closing himself down a lot

933
01:00:55,284 --> 01:00:58,720
and becoming very inward,

934
01:00:58,821 --> 01:01:01,415
in order to find the killer

935
01:01:01,523 --> 01:01:05,254
who could carry out the task
and terminate Kurtz.

936
01:01:06,562 --> 01:01:08,189
I think it was...

937
01:01:08,297 --> 01:01:11,460
Willard was definitely responsible

938
01:01:11,567 --> 01:01:14,297
for Marty's own breakdown.

939
01:01:20,843 --> 01:01:23,209
March 1, 1977.

940
01:01:23,579 --> 01:01:25,206
Last night at 2:00 in the morning,

941
01:01:25,314 --> 01:01:28,112
Marty Sheen experienced
severe chest pains.

942
01:01:28,651 --> 01:01:31,449
At daybreak, he crawled out of his room
and down to the local highway,

943
01:01:31,553 --> 01:01:34,351
where he was picked up
by a public bus.

944
01:01:34,456 --> 01:01:36,048
After being taken
to the production office,

945
01:01:36,158 --> 01:01:38,592
he was rushed to the hospital.

946
01:01:38,694 --> 01:01:42,289
Marty, it turned out,
had suffered a serious heart attack.

947
01:01:42,398 --> 01:01:46,334
He received last rites from a priest
who did not speak English.

948
01:01:48,604 --> 01:01:53,234
I really had a very close call
and I realized...

949
01:01:53,342 --> 01:01:55,674
It's nothing that I can put into words.

950
01:01:55,778 --> 01:01:58,872
I just knew that if I wanted to live,
it was my choice.

951
01:01:58,981 --> 01:02:00,642
If I wanted to die,
that was my choice, too.

952
01:02:01,216 --> 01:02:02,240
There wasn't even any fear.

953
01:02:02,351 --> 01:02:06,515
The fear only came when I realized later
how close I came to the end.

954
01:02:06,622 --> 01:02:08,613
That's when I got scared.

955
01:02:09,258 --> 01:02:13,456
I remember the phone ringing,
and my secretary said,

956
01:02:14,229 --> 01:02:20,168
"Marty's had a heart attack,
and Francis doesn't want to admit it."

957
01:02:20,636 --> 01:02:23,434
Dave Salvin let Melissa
tell Barry Hirsch

958
01:02:23,539 --> 01:02:26,940
that Marty had a heart attack!
What the fuck is that?

959
01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:29,602
What the fuck is that?

960
01:02:29,712 --> 01:02:32,977
You know that it's gonna be
all over Hollywood in a half an hour?

961
01:02:33,082 --> 01:02:36,142
If Marty is so seriously stricken,

962
01:02:36,251 --> 01:02:38,310
then he must go back.

963
01:02:38,420 --> 01:02:40,684
Of course he will go back,
and we'll eat it,

964
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:43,690
but when I talked to the doctor,
they didn't know.

965
01:02:43,792 --> 01:02:45,054
Marty's a young man.

966
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,926
He probably would be able
to be up and about in three weeks.

967
01:02:50,499 --> 01:02:52,694
I said, "Could he do non-strenuous work

968
01:02:52,801 --> 01:02:55,292
"such as just close-ups,
sitting and acting?"

969
01:02:55,404 --> 01:02:56,632
He said, "Possibly, yes."

970
01:02:56,739 --> 01:02:58,570
That's all I need to hear from the doctor.

971
01:02:58,674 --> 01:03:02,770
So what's going on in fucking
trade winds is fucking gossip.

972
01:03:02,878 --> 01:03:04,106
Gossip.

973
01:03:04,646 --> 01:03:06,170
That gossip can finish me off.

974
01:03:06,281 --> 01:03:08,841
If UA hears that it's eight weeks,

975
01:03:08,951 --> 01:03:11,112
UA with a $27 million negative

976
01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:13,780
is gonna force me
to complete it with what I've got,

977
01:03:13,889 --> 01:03:16,858
- And I don't have the movie yet.
- Right.

978
01:03:16,959 --> 01:03:18,756
- All right, now, you understand exactly?
- Yes.

979
01:03:18,861 --> 01:03:22,126
If Marty dies, I wanna hear
that everything's okay,

980
01:03:22,231 --> 01:03:24,199
until I say, "Marty is dead."

981
01:03:24,299 --> 01:03:25,266
- You got it?
- Right.

982
01:03:25,367 --> 01:03:28,302
If it's not done, man,
ship the whole office out of here.

983
01:03:28,404 --> 01:03:29,803
- You know what I'm saying?
- Yes.

984
01:03:29,905 --> 01:03:31,497
Okay, I'm really scared, guys.

985
01:03:31,607 --> 01:03:34,075
The first time
I've been scared on this movie.

986
01:03:34,943 --> 01:03:39,471
Whenever Francis gets in trouble
on a picture, and not sure...

987
01:03:39,581 --> 01:03:42,573
The thing is to keep going,
which I respect and admire.

988
01:03:42,684 --> 01:03:44,447
You gotta keep moving forward.

989
01:03:44,553 --> 01:03:45,747
'Cause, I mean, of course,

990
01:03:45,854 --> 01:03:48,482
the guy had mortgaged his home
and everything else

991
01:03:48,590 --> 01:03:50,854
to be able to make this movie.

992
01:03:53,562 --> 01:03:55,689
We shot masters of scenes.

993
01:03:56,498 --> 01:03:59,763
A lot of that material we shot
with a double over Marty's shoulder.

994
01:03:59,868 --> 01:04:03,634
Then we went back when he came back
and shot the close-ups.

995
01:04:04,673 --> 01:04:07,267
So we had to find work
for the shooting unit

996
01:04:07,376 --> 01:04:10,140
for as long as it was gonna take
to get Marty back.

997
01:04:10,646 --> 01:04:11,874
Okay...

998
01:04:11,980 --> 01:04:14,778
I'll shoot anything.
Tell me something I can shoot.

999
01:04:14,883 --> 01:04:17,317
We're out of little pickups to shoot.

1000
01:04:17,419 --> 01:04:19,011
I'll shoot the transition to medevac.

1001
01:04:19,121 --> 01:04:22,056
Or I'll do a take of this.
I'll shoot anything.

1002
01:04:23,158 --> 01:04:24,989
Give me a break.
What did I accomplish today?

1003
01:04:25,094 --> 01:04:27,119
You found out, number one,

1004
01:04:27,229 --> 01:04:28,526
that we're going to have
a tremendous problem

1005
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:29,858
without Marty with these scenes.

1006
01:04:29,965 --> 01:04:31,227
We knew we were gonna have to

1007
01:04:31,333 --> 01:04:33,733
at least open one major scene
without Marty.

1008
01:04:33,836 --> 01:04:34,803
I knew that a lot.

1009
01:04:34,903 --> 01:04:37,565
I told you we could get through
three weeks or four weeks maybe,

1010
01:04:37,673 --> 01:04:39,937
but after that, we were in trouble.
We both knew it.

1011
01:04:40,042 --> 01:04:43,170
All I'm saying is, from my point of view,
I'd like to do something.

1012
01:04:43,278 --> 01:04:47,977
I feel like I'm this Peck's Bad Boy
who's, like, being unreasonable.

1013
01:04:50,185 --> 01:04:51,618
Can I have a club soda?

1014
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,847
- Club soda department?
- Yeah.

1015
01:05:04,967 --> 01:05:07,333
Who knows
what Francis had put together?

1016
01:05:07,436 --> 01:05:10,234
And they brought me back
to put the script back together,

1017
01:05:10,339 --> 01:05:13,672
and everybody said,
"Thank God! He's returned to reason!

1018
01:05:13,775 --> 01:05:17,176
"Thank God! This will be all right now!
This is a new day!

1019
01:05:17,279 --> 01:05:19,474
"This thing will finally be released."

1020
01:05:19,581 --> 01:05:23,244
They said, "Go in there and tell him
that he's been crazy."

1021
01:05:23,352 --> 01:05:24,785
And all this kind of stuff.

1022
01:05:24,887 --> 01:05:30,052
I felt like von Rundstedt
going to see Hitler in 1944,

1023
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:31,387
and I was gonna be telling him

1024
01:05:31,493 --> 01:05:33,051
there was no more gasoline
on the eastern front,

1025
01:05:33,162 --> 01:05:35,653
and the whole thing was going to fold.

1026
01:05:35,764 --> 01:05:38,232
And I came out an hour-and-a-half later,

1027
01:05:38,333 --> 01:05:41,359
and he had convinced me
that this was the first film

1028
01:05:41,470 --> 01:05:44,132
that would win a Nobel Prize, you know.

1029
01:05:44,239 --> 01:05:46,332
And so I came out of the room
like von Rundstedt,

1030
01:05:46,441 --> 01:05:49,433
"We can win!

1031
01:05:49,545 --> 01:05:51,570
"We don't need gasoline!"

1032
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,411
He had completely turned me around.
I would have done anything.

1033
01:05:58,887 --> 01:06:01,117
April 19th, 1977.

1034
01:06:01,890 --> 01:06:04,188
This is Marty's first day back on the set.

1035
01:06:04,293 --> 01:06:06,227
He arrived about an hour ago.

1036
01:06:06,328 --> 01:06:07,420
He looks tan and terrific,

1037
01:06:07,529 --> 01:06:10,020
just like he came back
from Palm Beach.

1038
01:06:10,132 --> 01:06:13,465
Francis put his ear on Marty's chest
to check him out.

1039
01:06:13,569 --> 01:06:15,662
He said he looked too good.

1040
01:06:33,989 --> 01:06:35,854
Part of me was afraid
of what I would find

1041
01:06:35,958 --> 01:06:38,620
and what I would do when I got there.

1042
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:42,724
I knew the risks

1043
01:06:43,865 --> 01:06:45,560
or imagined I knew.

1044
01:06:48,003 --> 01:06:52,872
But the thing I felt the most,
much stronger than fear,

1045
01:06:53,709 --> 01:06:55,973
was the desire to confront him.

1046
01:07:08,590 --> 01:07:12,185
What I have to arrive at in my mind
is Willard's state of mind

1047
01:07:12,294 --> 01:07:15,491
when he arrives at the compound.

1048
01:07:15,597 --> 01:07:18,566
He could either arrive incredibly angry

1049
01:07:18,667 --> 01:07:22,194
or like a newborn baby.

1050
01:07:22,304 --> 01:07:25,603
And I think what he should find
at the end is death.

1051
01:07:26,008 --> 01:07:30,138
That at the end of this whole thing,

1052
01:07:30,245 --> 01:07:32,440
there is a frightening...

1053
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:38,044
A frightening place
that just smells of death.

1054
01:07:41,290 --> 01:07:42,314
In the script,

1055
01:07:42,424 --> 01:07:46,554
Kurtz has trained a tribe of local
Montagnard Indians as his private army.

1056
01:07:46,662 --> 01:07:49,187
Rather than dress up Filipino extras
everyday,

1057
01:07:49,298 --> 01:07:51,459
Francis has recruited
a tribe of lfugao Indians

1058
01:07:51,566 --> 01:07:53,727
from the mountains to the north.

1059
01:07:53,835 --> 01:07:56,167
There is a rumor on the set that,
until recently,

1060
01:07:56,271 --> 01:07:59,138
the lfugao were practicing headhunters.

1061
01:08:00,242 --> 01:08:02,335
Last Saturday, they had a feast.

1062
01:08:02,444 --> 01:08:06,312
The old men of the tribe
sat in the priest's house and chanted.

1063
01:08:06,415 --> 01:08:07,746
I wanted to film the ceremony,

1064
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:10,818
so their mayor asked permission for me
to shoot.

1065
01:08:10,919 --> 01:08:15,515
I was told if I entered, I could not leave
during the first set of chants.

1066
01:08:15,657 --> 01:08:20,754
I was interested in documenting,
photographing the actual ritual

1067
01:08:20,862 --> 01:08:22,921
that they performed.

1068
01:08:25,233 --> 01:08:28,566
They began at night,
inside their hut up on stilts,

1069
01:08:28,670 --> 01:08:32,436
and they drank a lot of rice wine
and chanted,

1070
01:08:32,541 --> 01:08:35,669
and they told a long story
in their own language.

1071
01:08:38,947 --> 01:08:40,380
This went on during the night.

1072
01:08:40,482 --> 01:08:45,545
The next morning, they began to kill
some chickens and look at their bile

1073
01:08:45,654 --> 01:08:48,145
and tell the fortune of the tribe.

1074
01:08:48,256 --> 01:08:51,919
And then they killed some pigs
in a very sacrificial way.

1075
01:09:01,236 --> 01:09:02,225
By this time,

1076
01:09:02,337 --> 01:09:04,737
I felt that there was something
very profound and moving

1077
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:05,898
about this experience,

1078
01:09:06,007 --> 01:09:08,942
so I ran back to the house
to get Francis,

1079
01:09:09,044 --> 01:09:10,511
and I said,
"You know, you've got to see this,

1080
01:09:10,612 --> 01:09:13,206
"because they're going to kill a caribou."

1081
01:09:13,315 --> 01:09:15,146
He was writing
and didn't really wanna come,

1082
01:09:15,250 --> 01:09:17,810
but I really encouraged him
to come back to the location.

1083
01:09:17,919 --> 01:09:20,888
And we got back there
just maybe 10 minutes

1084
01:09:20,989 --> 01:09:24,618
before they killed this caribou
in this ritual way.

1085
01:09:24,726 --> 01:09:26,956
The caribou was standing there,

1086
01:09:27,062 --> 01:09:29,292
and they just seemed to come out
from nowhere

1087
01:09:29,398 --> 01:09:33,562
and just kill it very quickly
with these big machetes,

1088
01:09:33,668 --> 01:09:35,499
and it fell to the ground.

1089
01:09:37,372 --> 01:09:40,307
There was something very beautiful
and strong and profound

1090
01:09:40,409 --> 01:09:41,876
about these people
who killed this animal,

1091
01:09:41,977 --> 01:09:46,414
and then they all ate it at a festival,

1092
01:09:46,515 --> 01:09:48,346
kind of like Thanksgiving.

1093
01:09:57,826 --> 01:09:59,953
As Francis and I
were getting ready to leave,

1094
01:10:00,061 --> 01:10:01,995
the mayor asked
if we would do the priest

1095
01:10:02,097 --> 01:10:04,497
the honor of accepting
the best part of the caribou

1096
01:10:04,599 --> 01:10:07,500
that is usually reserved for him,
the heart.

1097
01:10:08,036 --> 01:10:09,435
We thanked him.

1098
01:10:09,538 --> 01:10:10,562
Through a translator,

1099
01:10:10,672 --> 01:10:13,266
he said that he would like his picture
taken with Francis.

1100
01:10:13,375 --> 01:10:14,467
I took a photograph

1101
01:10:14,576 --> 01:10:18,137
of the two priests and Francis
standing there together.

1102
01:10:20,749 --> 01:10:26,551
It was enough like people in war
who get set up like little tribal chieftains

1103
01:10:26,655 --> 01:10:30,887
to stimulate the imagination
along those lines.

1104
01:10:32,093 --> 01:10:37,326
A film director is kind of one of
the last truly dictatorial posts left

1105
01:10:38,033 --> 01:10:40,365
in a world
getting more and more democratic.

1106
01:10:40,469 --> 01:10:43,563
So that, plus being

1107
01:10:43,672 --> 01:10:46,698
in a distant, Oriental country,

1108
01:10:48,276 --> 01:10:51,370
the fact that pretty much
it was my own money

1109
01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:55,610
and that I was making it on the crest
of the acclaim of the Godfather films,

1110
01:10:55,717 --> 01:10:57,378
you know, I was wealthy,

1111
01:10:57,486 --> 01:11:01,616
did contribute to a state of mind
that was like Kurtz.

1112
01:11:10,232 --> 01:11:12,223
What did they tell you?

1113
01:11:14,803 --> 01:11:18,933
They told me that you had gone

1114
01:11:20,041 --> 01:11:21,804
totally insane.

1115
01:11:24,112 --> 01:11:27,275
And that your

1116
01:11:27,382 --> 01:11:30,579
methods were unsound.

1117
01:11:34,356 --> 01:11:36,347
Are my methods unsound?

1118
01:11:42,297 --> 01:11:45,892
I don't see any method

1119
01:11:47,736 --> 01:11:49,101
at all, sir.

1120
01:11:55,744 --> 01:11:56,768
Thirty-eight takes

1121
01:11:56,878 --> 01:11:59,904
and Francis said the scene
was never the way he wanted it.

1122
01:12:00,015 --> 01:12:02,176
The people who were
playing the severed heads

1123
01:12:02,284 --> 01:12:04,218
sat in their boxes buried in the ground

1124
01:12:04,319 --> 01:12:06,844
from 8:00 in the morning
till 6:00 at night.

1125
01:12:06,955 --> 01:12:10,584
All day they were there in the hot sun
with smoke blowing on them.

1126
01:12:10,692 --> 01:12:13,820
Between takes,
they were covered with umbrellas.

1127
01:13:05,447 --> 01:13:08,644
It's nice because this is the moment
when Chief dies,

1128
01:13:08,750 --> 01:13:11,913
that he looks up
and sees this harlequin figure

1129
01:13:12,020 --> 01:13:14,011
waving all the people away.

1130
01:13:14,122 --> 01:13:17,580
He sees, essentially, Dennis Hopper.
Know what I mean?

1131
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:22,057
Zap them with your siren, man!
Zap them with the siren!

1132
01:13:23,932 --> 01:13:26,423
I have Dennis Hopper playing
a spaced-out photojournalist

1133
01:13:26,534 --> 01:13:30,493
with 12 cameras who's here
because he's gonna get the truth,

1134
01:13:30,605 --> 01:13:33,631
and it's all, "Man!" You know?

1135
01:13:33,742 --> 01:13:36,074
And he's a wonderful apparition.

1136
01:13:37,045 --> 01:13:40,947
I'm an American! An American civilian.
Hi, Yanks.

1137
01:13:41,616 --> 01:13:43,208
Hi. American.

1138
01:13:43,318 --> 01:13:45,843
I didn't know till two weeks
before I came in

1139
01:13:45,954 --> 01:13:47,387
I was even going to be in the picture,

1140
01:13:47,489 --> 01:13:53,485
much less play the photojournalist guy
in tatters and rags, taking photographs,

1141
01:13:53,595 --> 01:13:57,793
trying to explain what this was all about
and how it's blowing his mind away.

1142
01:13:57,899 --> 01:14:01,232
I was not in the greatest of shape,
you know,

1143
01:14:01,336 --> 01:14:04,203
as far as, like,
my career was concerned,

1144
01:14:04,305 --> 01:14:08,901
and it was delightful to hear that
I was gonna go do anything anywhere.

1145
01:14:10,512 --> 01:14:13,447
And I really appreciate Francis' writing,

1146
01:14:14,349 --> 01:14:16,715
even though he does
drop it on you sometimes,

1147
01:14:16,818 --> 01:14:19,787
and it does take you sometimes,
an idiot like me, a whole day to learn it.

1148
01:14:20,221 --> 01:14:22,052
Why didn't you say that
to him in the scene?

1149
01:14:22,157 --> 01:14:23,988
- Who?
- Something clever like that.

1150
01:14:24,092 --> 01:14:26,356
When he says, "Who are you?"
Why didn't you say, "Who are you?"

1151
01:14:26,461 --> 01:14:30,830
- Because I haven't learned my lines yet.
- I know. You've had them for five days!

1152
01:14:30,932 --> 01:14:34,095
- The other thing I'd like to say is that...
- Those glasses...

1153
01:14:34,202 --> 01:14:36,796
These glasses,
I can't see anything through them.

1154
01:14:36,905 --> 01:14:40,864
But, like, every crack
represents a life I've saved.

1155
01:14:42,177 --> 01:14:45,578
You know what I mean?
They represent a life I've saved.

1156
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,272
Say all that in the scene.

1157
01:14:47,382 --> 01:14:52,877
I do, but you see, the director says,
"You don't know your lines."

1158
01:14:52,987 --> 01:14:54,614
Well, if you know your lines,

1159
01:14:54,723 --> 01:14:56,623
then you can forget them.
You can know, more or less...

1160
01:14:56,725 --> 01:15:00,491
Oh, I see,
but that's what I'm trying to do.

1161
01:15:00,595 --> 01:15:02,119
Forget those lines.

1162
01:15:02,230 --> 01:15:04,562
No, but it's not fair to forget them
if you never knew them.

1163
01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:09,136
I'm not gonna help you.
You're going to help him, man.

1164
01:15:09,904 --> 01:15:11,565
You're gonna help him.

1165
01:15:11,673 --> 01:15:14,141
I mean, what are they gonna say,
man, when he's gone, huh?

1166
01:15:14,242 --> 01:15:16,733
'Cause he dies when it dies, man.

1167
01:15:16,845 --> 01:15:18,779
When it dies, he dies.

1168
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:20,347
What are they gonna say about him?

1169
01:15:20,448 --> 01:15:24,680
They're gonna say, "He was a kind man.
He was a wise man.

1170
01:15:24,786 --> 01:15:26,651
"He had plans. He had wisdom."

1171
01:15:26,755 --> 01:15:28,416
Bullshit, man!

1172
01:15:28,523 --> 01:15:31,390
Am I gonna be the one
that's gonna set them straight?

1173
01:15:31,493 --> 01:15:33,188
Look at me! Wrong!

1174
01:15:36,598 --> 01:15:37,622
You!

1175
01:16:04,092 --> 01:16:05,354
For years, Francis has dreamed

1176
01:16:05,460 --> 01:16:07,485
of a group of poets,
filmmakers and writers

1177
01:16:07,595 --> 01:16:10,826
who would come together
to form American Zoetrope.

1178
01:16:11,432 --> 01:16:15,232
This morning I realized that this was it,
right here in the heart of the jungle.

1179
01:16:16,337 --> 01:16:20,569
When you stop looking for something,
you see it right in front of you.

1180
01:16:27,482 --> 01:16:30,349
I'm not disclosing any trade secrets,
but I want you to understand now

1181
01:16:30,451 --> 01:16:34,478
that Mr. Kurtz had taken a high seat
amongst the devils of the land.

1182
01:16:34,589 --> 01:16:36,250
I mean, literally.

1183
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,691
A group of natives appeared
bearing a stretcher.

1184
01:16:43,631 --> 01:16:46,725
I looked down on the long,
gaunt figure of Kurtz,

1185
01:16:48,570 --> 01:16:50,663
the hollow cage of his ribs,

1186
01:16:52,173 --> 01:16:56,269
a bald skeleton head, like an ivory ball.

1187
01:17:00,849 --> 01:17:03,909
What did you do
with Marlon Brando when he arrived?

1188
01:17:04,018 --> 01:17:07,681
Well, he was already heavy
when I'd hired him,

1189
01:17:08,256 --> 01:17:10,656
and he promised me
that he was gonna get in shape.

1190
01:17:10,758 --> 01:17:15,855
And I imagined if he were heavy,
I could use that.

1191
01:17:16,397 --> 01:17:19,560
But he was so fat,
he was very, very shy about it.

1192
01:17:19,667 --> 01:17:22,465
Immediately when I saw him, I said,
"Well, I'll write this as a man

1193
01:17:22,570 --> 01:17:27,269
"who really, you know,
had indulged every aspect of himself."

1194
01:17:27,375 --> 01:17:32,472
So he was fat, and he had
two or three tribal girls with him

1195
01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:35,048
and was eating mangoes
and kind of go the other way.

1196
01:17:35,149 --> 01:17:37,617
And he was very, very adamant

1197
01:17:37,719 --> 01:17:39,550
that he didn't wanna portray himself
that way.

1198
01:17:40,054 --> 01:17:44,286
I mean, clearly, he had just,
kind of, left me in a tough spot.

1199
01:17:44,392 --> 01:17:46,952
The clock was ticking on this deal
he had.

1200
01:17:47,061 --> 01:17:50,121
We had to finish him
within three weeks,

1201
01:17:50,231 --> 01:17:53,132
or we'd go into
a very expensive overage.

1202
01:17:53,234 --> 01:17:57,034
So the whole company was sitting up
on the set, around the camera,

1203
01:17:57,138 --> 01:17:59,572
the crew all poised to go and shoot,

1204
01:17:59,674 --> 01:18:03,667
and Francis and Marlon
would be talking about the character.

1205
01:18:03,778 --> 01:18:05,837
And whole days would go by.

1206
01:18:06,514 --> 01:18:10,109
And this is at Marlon's urging,

1207
01:18:10,218 --> 01:18:12,652
and yet, he's getting paid for it.

1208
01:18:13,688 --> 01:18:16,179
One of the things
Francis said to Marlon in the beginning,

1209
01:18:16,291 --> 01:18:19,351
"Read Heart of Darkness.
This is what we're going for."

1210
01:18:19,460 --> 01:18:22,327
And Marlon really worked hours
with Francis,

1211
01:18:22,430 --> 01:18:23,727
trying to develop the dialog

1212
01:18:23,831 --> 01:18:27,995
and develop what it was that
he said in these circumstances.

1213
01:18:28,102 --> 01:18:31,265
And, of course, after Francis
had some dialogs with him,

1214
01:18:31,372 --> 01:18:36,173
he realized that Marlon
had never read Heart of Darkness,

1215
01:18:36,778 --> 01:18:39,576
and it was a complete shock.

1216
01:18:40,715 --> 01:18:43,047
Marlon's basic notes,
as I understood them,

1217
01:18:43,151 --> 01:18:46,245
as I just glanced at them,
were all motivation things.

1218
01:18:46,354 --> 01:18:51,382
In other words, it's like getting in
to saying, "Why is he going on a boat?"

1219
01:18:51,492 --> 01:18:52,891
And I can't answer them,

1220
01:18:52,994 --> 01:18:57,055
because it's too late for me
to change the structure.

1221
01:18:57,165 --> 01:19:01,261
So what I really need from him
are the facts about who he is.

1222
01:19:01,369 --> 01:19:03,496
And in a way, I don't even care.

1223
01:19:03,604 --> 01:19:08,906
Is he a fat guy who's got his shirt off
and starting to wear necklaces?

1224
01:19:09,010 --> 01:19:13,242
Or is he bulging,
is his uniform bulging at the buttons?

1225
01:19:13,348 --> 01:19:15,578
But I know that this guy's
a fucking traitor...

1226
01:19:15,683 --> 01:19:16,809
You don't let me talk to you.

1227
01:19:16,918 --> 01:19:19,148
See, my problem is not only
I have to come up with a scene,

1228
01:19:19,253 --> 01:19:22,552
but it's gotta have the right shape
to fit in the jigsaw puzzle.

1229
01:19:22,657 --> 01:19:24,147
Maybe I ought to get Dennis Hopper
in this scene,

1230
01:19:24,258 --> 01:19:25,987
so it's just not with two characters.

1231
01:19:26,094 --> 01:19:28,494
- You know.
- No, I don't know, Francis.

1232
01:19:28,596 --> 01:19:30,427
You know, I don't. Nobody's told me.

1233
01:19:30,531 --> 01:19:31,862
I mean, I have been afraid

1234
01:19:31,966 --> 01:19:33,900
to even put Dennis Hopper
and Marlon together

1235
01:19:34,002 --> 01:19:37,267
'cause, Christ, I haven't figured out
what Marty's going to do with Marlon.

1236
01:19:37,372 --> 01:19:39,636
What happens if I got crazy
Dennis Hopper in there?

1237
01:19:39,741 --> 01:19:41,231
- I know nothing.
- I'll tell you.

1238
01:19:41,342 --> 01:19:44,277
- But you don't let me tell you.
- Oh, I see.

1239
01:19:46,381 --> 01:19:48,212
Kurtz found out that he was an assassin

1240
01:19:48,316 --> 01:19:50,341
who was sent to kill him.

1241
01:19:50,451 --> 01:19:53,147
- I know that. I have that information.
- Yeah.

1242
01:19:53,254 --> 01:19:54,778
Okay, that's what I'm saying.

1243
01:19:54,889 --> 01:19:56,117
Okay, just do what I ask.

1244
01:19:56,224 --> 01:19:59,625
When I say you just explain the poem
and the reason you're explaining is...

1245
01:19:59,727 --> 01:20:00,989
But, you see, I need to know reasons.

1246
01:20:01,095 --> 01:20:02,084
I'm telling you the reason.

1247
01:20:02,196 --> 01:20:04,892
I can't ever talk more
than a fucking sentence!

1248
01:20:04,999 --> 01:20:07,866
The reason that you're
explaining the poem to him

1249
01:20:07,969 --> 01:20:10,199
is because you want to indicate
to this guy

1250
01:20:10,304 --> 01:20:14,104
that he does not understand Kurtz,
that Kurtz is a strange man.

1251
01:20:14,208 --> 01:20:18,577
What you're trying to express
is that he's, kind of, in the twilight zone,

1252
01:20:18,679 --> 01:20:21,375
that his twilight zone
is our twilight zone.

1253
01:20:21,482 --> 01:20:23,814
It's America's twilight zone.

1254
01:20:23,918 --> 01:20:26,216
So that he will not judge him.

1255
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,812
So that he will accept him
as a great man and help him.

1256
01:20:34,228 --> 01:20:35,695
Okay, man.

1257
01:20:36,197 --> 01:20:37,926
There's no good, right, wrong, bad.

1258
01:20:38,032 --> 01:20:39,499
One through nine and back to one.

1259
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,500
No fractions, no maybes, no supposes.

1260
01:20:41,602 --> 01:20:44,196
You can't travel in space.
You can't go out into space.

1261
01:20:44,305 --> 01:20:46,967
You know, without, like,
you know, with fractions.

1262
01:20:47,075 --> 01:20:48,906
What are you gonna land on?
One quarter? Three-eighths?

1263
01:20:49,010 --> 01:20:51,740
What are you gonna do when you go
from here to Venus or something?

1264
01:20:51,846 --> 01:20:53,746
That's dialectic physics, okay?

1265
01:20:53,848 --> 01:20:55,782
Dialectic logic is
there's only love and hate.

1266
01:20:55,883 --> 01:20:58,681
You either love somebody
or you hate them!

1267
01:21:04,025 --> 01:21:05,253
So what I should do...

1268
01:21:06,060 --> 01:21:10,292
What I should do is just shoot for
the next three weeks irrationally.

1269
01:21:11,265 --> 01:21:14,564
In other words,
if I did an improvisation every day

1270
01:21:14,669 --> 01:21:17,137
between Marlon Brando
and Marty Sheen,

1271
01:21:17,238 --> 01:21:22,699
would l, at that time, have more magical
and, in a way, telling moments

1272
01:21:23,978 --> 01:21:27,744
than if I just closed down
for three weeks

1273
01:21:27,849 --> 01:21:30,113
and write a structure that then they act?

1274
01:21:30,218 --> 01:21:31,242
And the answer would be

1275
01:21:31,352 --> 01:21:34,116
I'm much better off
to do an improvisation everyday.

1276
01:21:34,222 --> 01:21:35,917
Two-sixty, take 3.

1277
01:21:41,629 --> 01:21:43,494
What is the blood lust?

1278
01:21:49,971 --> 01:21:51,632
The blood lust...

1279
01:21:53,174 --> 01:21:54,732
The blood lust,

1280
01:21:55,943 --> 01:21:57,137
they say,

1281
01:21:59,881 --> 01:22:02,349
all the men that I've read about,

1282
01:22:03,851 --> 01:22:09,517
they say that the human animal
is the only one that has blood lust.

1283
01:22:14,128 --> 01:22:16,119
Killing without purpose.

1284
01:22:17,665 --> 01:22:19,428
Killing for pleasure.

1285
01:22:20,368 --> 01:22:22,666
You can see light through this.

1286
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:30,103
You take the ones
that are made for garbage detail.

1287
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:35,443
You take the others who are
made to think, but who can't act.

1288
01:22:35,550 --> 01:22:37,040
You take...

1289
01:22:41,155 --> 01:22:42,782
I swallowed a bug.

1290
01:22:44,425 --> 01:22:48,759
It's irresistible
when a bee discovers honey.

1291
01:22:51,165 --> 01:22:53,395
He's irresistibly driven...

1292
01:22:54,435 --> 01:22:56,403
My... My friend laughs.

1293
01:22:57,805 --> 01:22:59,295
He's my critic.

1294
01:23:01,876 --> 01:23:05,903
My only critic perhaps,
outside of myself.

1295
01:23:07,348 --> 01:23:11,444
I mean, in a way, I'm like on a room
with all the floors covered with Vaseline

1296
01:23:11,552 --> 01:23:14,043
and all these new elements
are coming at me.

1297
01:23:14,155 --> 01:23:15,747
And I'm trying to go ahead,

1298
01:23:15,856 --> 01:23:19,815
but now I've got Marlon Brando
as an incredible joker to play.

1299
01:23:19,927 --> 01:23:23,795
And he's like a force of his own
'cause he don't give a shit.

1300
01:23:24,999 --> 01:23:30,494
I want a character
of a monumental nature

1301
01:23:30,605 --> 01:23:34,234
who is struggling
with the extremities of his soul

1302
01:23:35,776 --> 01:23:38,973
and is struggling with them
on such a level

1303
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:42,243
that you're in awe of it
and is destroyed by them.

1304
01:23:45,686 --> 01:23:49,247
It takes bravery.

1305
01:23:50,124 --> 01:23:54,220
The deepest bullets
are not to be feared.

1306
01:23:54,328 --> 01:23:58,128
Phosphorous, napalm
are nothing to be feared,

1307
01:23:58,232 --> 01:24:02,566
but to look inward, to see that twisted

1308
01:24:02,670 --> 01:24:07,607
mind that lies beneath
the surface of all humans

1309
01:24:08,643 --> 01:24:13,444
and to say, "Yes, I accept you.

1310
01:24:14,782 --> 01:24:16,875
"I even love you
because you're a part of me.

1311
01:24:16,984 --> 01:24:19,145
"You're an extension of me."

1312
01:24:21,989 --> 01:24:24,014
- What?
- Can you walk now?

1313
01:24:29,664 --> 01:24:31,495
Why are we in Vietnam?

1314
01:24:32,533 --> 01:24:37,300
It's our time to grab
this moment in history.

1315
01:24:41,475 --> 01:24:43,204
It's our time to...

1316
01:24:44,512 --> 01:24:46,275
- To teach.
- Microphone.

1317
01:24:55,823 --> 01:24:58,951
I can't think of anymore dialog to say.

1318
01:25:00,761 --> 01:25:03,321
And I am feeling like an idiot

1319
01:25:04,732 --> 01:25:08,224
having set in motion stuff
that doesn't make any sense,

1320
01:25:08,336 --> 01:25:11,032
that doesn't match,
and yet I am doing it.

1321
01:25:11,138 --> 01:25:13,538
And the reason I'm doing it
is out of desperation,

1322
01:25:13,641 --> 01:25:16,166
'cause I have no rational way to do it.

1323
01:25:16,277 --> 01:25:19,508
What I have to admit is
that I don't know what I'm doing.

1324
01:25:19,613 --> 01:25:21,308
Well, how do you account
for the discrepancy

1325
01:25:21,415 --> 01:25:22,609
between what you feel about it

1326
01:25:22,717 --> 01:25:24,275
and what everybody else
who see it feels?

1327
01:25:24,385 --> 01:25:28,947
Because they see the magic
of what has happened before.

1328
01:25:29,056 --> 01:25:33,015
I'm saying, "Hey, it's not gonna happen!
I don't have any performances.

1329
01:25:33,127 --> 01:25:35,652
"The script doesn't make sense.
I have no ending."

1330
01:25:35,763 --> 01:25:39,096
I'm like a voice crying out, saying,

1331
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,896
"Please, it's not working!
Somebody get me off this."

1332
01:25:42,002 --> 01:25:42,991
And nobody listens to me!

1333
01:25:43,104 --> 01:25:45,800
Everyone says, "y es, well,
Francis works best in a crisis."

1334
01:25:45,906 --> 01:25:49,103
I'm saying, "This is one crisis
I'm not gonna pull myself out of!"

1335
01:25:49,210 --> 01:25:52,475
I'm making a bad movie.
So why should I go ahead? I'd rather...

1336
01:25:53,147 --> 01:25:55,377
I'm gonna be bankrupt anyway.

1337
01:25:56,083 --> 01:25:59,382
Why can't I just have the courage
to say, "It's no good"?

1338
01:26:02,022 --> 01:26:04,388
There's almost anything I'd do
to get out of it.

1339
01:26:04,492 --> 01:26:07,950
I'm already thinking about
what kind of sickness I can get.

1340
01:26:08,062 --> 01:26:10,292
I'm in the rain on the platform
thinking if I just moved a little,

1341
01:26:10,398 --> 01:26:11,956
I'd just fall 30 feet.

1342
01:26:12,066 --> 01:26:15,001
It might kill me,
but it might paralyze me or something.

1343
01:26:16,036 --> 01:26:18,300
It'd be a graceful way out.

1344
01:26:20,941 --> 01:26:23,341
Did you ever fear for his sanity?

1345
01:26:23,611 --> 01:26:27,638
Well, he did, at one point,
he fainted, kind of...

1346
01:26:27,748 --> 01:26:29,613
He had a collapse.

1347
01:26:30,084 --> 01:26:31,176
And he told me

1348
01:26:31,285 --> 01:26:34,254
that he could see himself
going down a dark tunnel,

1349
01:26:34,355 --> 01:26:37,222
and he didn't know
if he was dying or leaving this reality

1350
01:26:37,324 --> 01:26:38,382
or what was happening to him.

1351
01:26:40,428 --> 01:26:41,952
But he'd gone to the threshold,

1352
01:26:42,062 --> 01:26:46,431
maybe, of his sanity or something.

1353
01:26:49,804 --> 01:26:54,002
It was scary, but also
kind of exhilarating or thrilling

1354
01:26:54,108 --> 01:26:58,408
that he would take such risks
with himself

1355
01:26:59,814 --> 01:27:01,907
in his experience to go that far.

1356
01:27:02,016 --> 01:27:05,042
And I think this film
was all about risking,

1357
01:27:05,152 --> 01:27:06,414
risking your money,

1358
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:10,149
risking your sanity,

1359
01:27:10,257 --> 01:27:13,818
risking how far you could
press your family members...

1360
01:27:13,928 --> 01:27:15,122
I mean, everything that he did,

1361
01:27:15,229 --> 01:27:19,791
he went to the extremes
to test those fringe regions

1362
01:27:19,900 --> 01:27:21,595
and then come back.

1363
01:27:22,336 --> 01:27:24,270
Nothing is so terrible
as a pretentious movie.

1364
01:27:24,371 --> 01:27:27,340
I mean, a movie that aspires
for something really terrific

1365
01:27:27,441 --> 01:27:30,376
and doesn't pull it off is shit, it's scum,

1366
01:27:30,978 --> 01:27:32,445
and everyone will walk on it as such.

1367
01:27:32,546 --> 01:27:36,038
And that's what poor filmmakers,
in a way, that's their greatest horror,

1368
01:27:36,150 --> 01:27:37,708
is to be pretentious.

1369
01:27:37,818 --> 01:27:38,876
So here you are, on one hand,

1370
01:27:38,986 --> 01:27:40,851
trying to aspire to really do something,

1371
01:27:40,955 --> 01:27:43,219
on the other hand,
you're not allowed to be pretentious.

1372
01:27:43,324 --> 01:27:47,158
And finally you say, "Fuck it! I don't care
if I'm pretentious or not pretentious,

1373
01:27:47,261 --> 01:27:48,626
"or if I've done it or I haven't done it."

1374
01:27:48,729 --> 01:27:51,721
All I know is that
I am going to see this movie,

1375
01:27:51,832 --> 01:27:54,027
and that, for me,
it has to have some answers.

1376
01:27:54,134 --> 01:27:56,034
And by "answers,"
I don't mean just a punch line.

1377
01:27:56,136 --> 01:27:58,730
Answers on about 47 different levels.

1378
01:27:59,139 --> 01:28:02,973
It's very hard to talk about
these things without being very corny.

1379
01:28:03,077 --> 01:28:05,807
You use a word like
self-purgation or epiphany,

1380
01:28:05,913 --> 01:28:08,108
they think
you're either a religious weirdo

1381
01:28:08,215 --> 01:28:10,080
or, you know,
an asshole college professor.

1382
01:28:10,184 --> 01:28:13,881
But those are the words for the process,
this transmutation,

1383
01:28:14,488 --> 01:28:17,457
this renaissance, this rebirth,

1384
01:28:18,759 --> 01:28:21,023
which is the basis of all life.

1385
01:28:21,762 --> 01:28:23,992
The one rule that all man,

1386
01:28:24,098 --> 01:28:26,259
from the time
they first were walking around,

1387
01:28:26,367 --> 01:28:27,800
Iooking up at the sun,

1388
01:28:27,902 --> 01:28:30,097
scratching around for food
and an animal to kill,

1389
01:28:30,437 --> 01:28:34,703
the first concept that,
I feel, got into their head

1390
01:28:34,808 --> 01:28:37,208
was the idea of life and death.

1391
01:28:37,311 --> 01:28:39,643
That the sun went down
and the sun went up.

1392
01:28:39,747 --> 01:28:42,648
That the crop, when they learned
how to make a crop, it died.

1393
01:28:42,750 --> 01:28:44,217
In the winter, everything died.

1394
01:28:44,318 --> 01:28:45,478
The first man, he must have thought,

1395
01:28:45,586 --> 01:28:47,019
"Oh, my God, it's the end of the world!"

1396
01:28:47,121 --> 01:28:49,715
And then all of a sudden,
there was spring,

1397
01:28:49,823 --> 01:28:51,313
and everything came alive,
and it was better!

1398
01:28:51,592 --> 01:28:54,083
I mean, after all, look at Vietnam.

1399
01:28:54,194 --> 01:28:56,287
Look at my movie.
You'll see what I'm talking.

1400
01:31:17,137 --> 01:31:18,468
The horror.

1401
01:31:22,376 --> 01:31:23,843
The horror.

1402
01:31:37,524 --> 01:31:40,982
The river, sleepless,

1403
01:31:41,095 --> 01:31:43,962
crowded with memories
of men and ships,

1404
01:31:44,798 --> 01:31:48,029
hunters for gold and pursuers of fame.

1405
01:31:48,135 --> 01:31:51,593
What greatness has not flowed
on the ebb of that river

1406
01:31:51,705 --> 01:31:54,333
into the mystery of an unknown earth?

1407
01:31:55,008 --> 01:31:59,240
The dreams of men,
the seed of commonwealths,

1408
01:32:00,180 --> 01:32:02,239
the germs of empires.

1409
01:32:04,618 --> 01:32:07,280
The river is black tonight, my friends.

1410
01:32:07,654 --> 01:32:12,455
Look, it seems to lead into the heart

1411
01:32:12,559 --> 01:32:14,493
of an immense darkness.

1412
01:32:40,454 --> 01:32:41,443
To me, the great hope

1413
01:32:41,555 --> 01:32:44,649
is that now these little eight-millimeter
video recorders

1414
01:32:44,758 --> 01:32:46,350
and stuff are coming out,

1415
01:32:46,460 --> 01:32:48,325
some people who normally
wouldn't make movies

1416
01:32:48,428 --> 01:32:49,986
are gonna be making them.

1417
01:32:50,097 --> 01:32:51,291
And, you know, suddenly, one day,

1418
01:32:51,398 --> 01:32:54,629
some little fat girl in Ohio
is gonna be the new Mozart

1419
01:32:54,735 --> 01:32:59,729
and make a beautiful film
with her little father's camcorder.

1420
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:02,570
And, for once, the so-called
professionalism about movies

1421
01:33:02,676 --> 01:33:07,306
will be destroyed forever, you know,
and it will really become an art form.

1422
01:33:10,017 --> 01:33:11,644
That's my opinion.